On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 18:06 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:

On 07/07/05, David Bottrill wrote:

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On Thursday 07 July 2005 16:12, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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What an incredibly senseless act ! Our hearts and prayers go out to all who suffered and the families left behind of those who didn't make it out of the tube, or off and away from the bus in time.

On behalf of the UK list members thank you for your sympathy.

David

Seconded. I think we all feel pretty sick here in the UK right now. This is just awful.

Not unlike the attack we had to endure on 9/11. Your country will survive and gain a greater resolve to fight the terrorists to the end. Our prayers are with you. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 10:41, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 18:06 +0100, Kevanf1 wrote:

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On 07/07/05, David Bottrill wrote:

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On Thursday 07 July 2005 16:12, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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What an incredibly senseless act ! Our hearts and prayers go out to all who suffered and the families left behind of those who didn't make it out of the tube, or off and away from the bus in time.

On behalf of the UK list members thank you for your sympathy.

David

Seconded. I think we all feel pretty sick here in the UK right now. This is just awful.

Not unlike the attack we had to endure on 9/11. Your country will survive and gain a greater resolve to fight the terrorists to the end. Our prayers are with you.

This is all that Islam can do to the west take a few lives. London survived the blitz it survived 50 years of the IRA, it will survive this. CONDOLENCES to the familys. Good hunting MI5,6... ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/

On Thursday 07 July 2005 4:54 pm, James Knott wrote:

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On behalf of the UK list members thank you for your sympathy.

David

Seconded.  I think we all feel pretty sick here in the UK right now. This is just awful.

It's incredible that someone can be so hateful and cowardly as to deliberately target innocent civilians.

You'd think they'd realize that such actions only strenthen the resolve against them.

When you're so full of hate, and it's instilled in you since you were a child by your father, relatives, Imams, etc. you aren't really human any longer. 'More like a demon possessed animal. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

On Thursday 07 July 2005 22:43, Doug McGarrett wrote:

Hello, London:

I lived in an outer borough of New York on 9/11. It wasn't the soot and the smoke that I could clearly smell from 14 miles away that brought the tears to my eyes. I feel for you guys.

To be honest, much of London is defiantly normal this morning - I work about 300 metres from Aldgate, and you wouldn't know anything was amiss. The general mood in London is 'stuff you, whoever you are' - terrorist bombs have been a semi-regular part of London life for 30 years now, so most people not directly involved are pretty much unfazed. The best reported quote was from a veteran of the Blitz: "I've been blown up by a better class of bastard than this." best wishes, Gideon.

On 7/8/05, Mike McMullin wrote:

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To be honest, much of London is defiantly normal this morning - I work about 300 metres from Aldgate, and you wouldn't know anything was amiss.

The general mood in London is 'stuff you, whoever you are' - terrorist bombs have been a semi-regular part of London life for 30 years now, so most people not directly involved are pretty much unfazed.

The best reported quote was from a veteran of the Blitz: "I've been blown up by a better class of bastard than this."

Typical British understatement. :)

Well, a Brit friend of mine sent this out on his mailing list tonight.. he's a writer which is why he has a personal mailing list in case it matters.. in any event this was his reaction. -- This 7/7, 070705 shit is bugging the fuck out of me. Especially when it's coming from Americans. It's an insult to the genuine disaster suffered in New York, and it goes against the general feeling here. This isn't something to be enshrined. It's something to leave behind. It's happened before, and it'll happen again. Don't expect us all to go insane. Most of us went to the pub. For those following the details of the thing: this was a real low-rent operation. The attacks were on the most indefensible part of London -- the public transport. The bus bomb is indicative of small-scale devices -- London buses are basically tin and sellotape, and yet most of the seats on the top deck, where the bomb went off, were left intact. There's photography of the upstairs passengers standing up and looking at the new hole in the bus. The pressure wave of the blast blew out the sides and took the top off -- tin and sellotape meant that the pressure wasn't contained in the bus, which probably saved a few lives. If you want to kill everyone on a bus, you put the device on the lower deck, not the top. This was crap terrorism, using devices they obviously were not confident of smuggling into Live 8 or even the crowds that gathered for the Olympic win. Most people are still joking that it was the work of the French. Hell, probably so are the French. -- Cheers to all and bless the dead.. may they rest in peace. -Ben -- "There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend religious faith."

On Thursday 07 July 2005 5:53 pm, Peter Vollebregt wrote:

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When you're so full of hate, and it's instilled in you since you were a child by your father, relatives, Imams, etc. you aren't really human any longer. 'More like a demon possessed animal.

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Please, please do not dehumanize people. That is what starts wars. How do you think that 'they' could do what they did?

Why?! Because of just exactly what I said! It happens to be the truth. Hitler did something simular, only his "thing" was a 1 and only "pure race." Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

James Knott [Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:43:03 -0400]:

Violence is sometime s neccessary, but it should only be used as a last resort.

Stop it right here, *please*! It's not that I want to avoid such a discussion, but this is not the place for it! Philipp

On Thursday 07 July 2005 7:47 pm, Curtis Rey wrote:

Agreed!  This is why we started an OT list - we have many discussions of interest and few flame wars.  Please sign up to the OT list.  And my heart felt condolences to All in the London area - especially those that were injured or lost loved ones.

We have a fellow SUSE user there who I haven't heard from.....I've tried to contact him, but no luck yet. He's also a member of this elist. I'm in hopes he'll contact me SOON. So far, everyone I know in the London area is OK....thank God. Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.

Cristian Rodriguez wrote:

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What an incredibly senseless act ! Our hearts and prayers go out to all who suffered and the families left behind of those who didn't make it out of the tube, or off and away from the bus in time. it 's a terrible thing really, unnaceptable act. my best whishes to all the london people.

2005/7/7, jfweber@bellsouth.net : please, look on at the face of the people who lost their family on this tragic event,it 's the same feeling of the people who's family killed at the stupid wars that your country supports. talk your goverment.they have a major responsability,they should not support the war and violence, and expose you,your family and friends to terrible things like this. violence only generates more violence.

My prayers go out to the England folks that lost their lives and family members today. I do hope that this will bring the Citizens around the World, Mr. Blair and your Parliment to stand up and be counted. What single group of people are destroying the World? What violence did the people on the bus do? The USA lost on 911 5000 people cause by whom? Was that not violence against the US and today aginst the British? The true major responsability for all of the deaths is the people that did the act. Stop blaming the people that had nothing to do with it but go to work. I tried to stay out of this very sad topic. However, this did me in. If the British had not stood up in the 40s they likely would be speaking German today My 2 cent! -- 73 de Donn Washburn Hpage: " http://www.hal-pc.org/~n5xwb " Ham Callsign N5XWB Email: " n5xwb@hal-pc.org " 307 Savoy St. HAMs: " n5xwb@arrl.net " Sugar Land, TX 77478 BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador LL# 1.281.242.3256 " http://counter.li.org " #279316

On 10 Jul 2005 21:22:26 +0100, AmigaPhil@ping.be

Sorry to add to this off-topic thread. I understand this is not the right place to discuss this, but I have to reply to this. I'll try to make it short.

- Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11 - Iraq did NOT treat the USA and was not capable of doing so in a forseable future. Iraq was not even a treat to the neiborghood countries. - The invasion of Iraq is a crime. - Saddam Hussein has been arrested. That's a good thing. But if we are serious when we talk about JUSTICE, Bush and Blair should be arrested as well.

I feel sorry and sad (and revolted too) about the innocent victims of terrorism - *ALL* victims - in London, Madrid, New-York, Kaboul, Bagdad, ... And yes, I *do* care too for the victims who don't get as much attention from the media, the ones for whom we usually don't observe a minute of silence, the ones who are forgotten from all commemoration.

I *do* condemn terrorism - *ALL* terrorism - including our own War OF Terror.

I *do* care about life. Just like I can't see the vistims of 9/11 as collateral damage, I can't accept the argument that the civilian victims in Iraq are "the needed eggs to be broken to make an omelette". There is no /noble/ cause that justify the killing of some innocents.

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I tried to stay out of this very sad topic. However, this did me in. If the British had not stood up in the 40s they likely would be speaking German today

So ? (Not sure to understand what you are trying to say here.)

Does that give the British a green card to do any crime now ?

Saddam Hussein is the one who, thanks to the privatization of the oil fields, made Iraq one of the richest and best educated country in the Arab world. Medical cares used to be free for all Bagdadi. Saddam was even rewarded by the UNESCO for his literacy program in the 80'. Following your statement, why haven't all the good things Saddam Hussein did for his country (and all those SUV in the world running thanks to the Iraqi oil) immune him from any crime charges ?

My 3 cents. (YOU did me in.) ;-)

My opinion on all this is that Saddam did have to be taken out of power. I do feel that there was far too much indiscriminate loss of life in doing so. I feel that the UN should have taken responsibility for this role and not left it to the US and UK. Lastly, why is nobody doing anything about Robert Mugabe? That man is evil and should be dealt with in a world court. -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR