From: Álvaro A. Novo Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:12:20 -0600 Message-Id: <00121018122001.00414@friedman> Subject: Re: [SLE] CNBC.com - Stocks On Sunday 10 December 2000 18:04, Jonathan Drews wrote:

Hi:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, you wrote:

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Some disturbing thoughts.....

http://www.cnbc.com/news/001208plotkin.html

Yeah that's really bad; the notion that M$ would do an extend and embrace on Linux.

No, that would be really good because: 1) It would be a victory for the open source model, or if you want, a clear defeat for "closed source" == Microsoft 2) It would send a strong signal to the markets that open source is the way to go, cutting off for good the doubts/questions that prevent millions of potential users to make the move to open source. 3) (Which is in 2) Hardware out of the box with open source drivers, and 4) More competition, lower prices. My tuppence, Alvaro Novo SuSE 6.4 -=- Kernel 2.2.17 -=- KDE 2.0.1 6:09pm up 5:34, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01

Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:26:42 -0800 (PST) From: "S.Toms" Message-ID: Subject: Re: CNBC.com - Stocks On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Dennis wrote: d> Agreed, and if we don't buy M$ OS now, why on earth we're going to buy d> M$(Linux) OS later? d> d> I believed if M$ can produce better Linux, SuSE will be producing best d> Linux. :) d> Only problem I see is that there are many people out there who have heard of linux but havn't ventured into it because of the difficulties that they may have also heard of. Those same people are going to buy it from MS simply because they figure MS will make it easier for them. Hate to say it, but this means that linux needs to become as easy to install as MS or for that matter Mac which in my opinion is even easier than MS so that those people won't flock to an MS brand of linux (if that ever happens). d> RH is having best 3rd party software support at the moment, but it is a d> lousy Linux as far as I feel (I use it at work on one server and the rest of d> the 5 servers are running SuSE7. :)> d> d> A choice is a choice, no one can force anyone in open source community, d> correct me if I'm wrong, please. d> d> So don't worry, point 2, 3 and 4 of Alvaro are also my points. Let's look on d> the bright side and move ahead... d> d> Bye now, it's 1:38am here, need some sleep. d> d> Dennis d> @Singapore d> d> d> d> > On Sunday 10 December 2000 18:04, Jonathan Drews wrote: d> > > Hi: d> > > d> > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, you wrote: d> > > > Some disturbing thoughts..... d> > > > d> > > > d> > > > http://www.cnbc.com/news/001208plotkin.html d> > > d> > > Yeah that's really bad; the notion that M$ would do an extend and d> embrace d> > > on Linux. d> > d> > No, that would be really good because: d> > d> > 1) It would be a victory for the open source model, or if you want, a d> clear d> > defeat for "closed source" == Microsoft d> > d> > 2) It would send a strong signal to the markets that open source is the d> way d> > to go, cutting off for good the doubts/questions that prevent millions of d> > potential users to make the move to open source. d> > d> > 3) (Which is in 2) Hardware out of the box with open source drivers, and d> > d> > 4) More competition, lower prices. d> > d> > My tuppence, d> > d> > Alvaro Novo d> > d> > SuSE 6.4 -=- Kernel 2.2.17 -=- KDE 2.0.1 d> > 6:09pm up 5:34, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.01 d> > d> > -- d> > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com d> > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com d> > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq d> > d> > d> d> d> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v7.0+ - Kernel 2.2.17 Taxes are going up so fast, the government is likely to price itself out of the market.

Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001214152057.0100cfb4@popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:20:57 +0000 From: Samy Elashmawy Subject: Re: [SLE] Re: M$(Linux) Yep I have has to re install windows several times on several machines , suse linux was easier. Even with windows I nneded all the drivers or had to download them from somewheere. Linksys etherfast cards are a real pian in the ass as far as windows is. You need to switch between a cdrom , the linksys floppys and your win95/8 cd , and then on at least three occasions it just would not take. I finflay discovered that what I needed to do was to REMOVE the card and move it up or down the pci slot or swap it around with the vedio card. On reboot it would only then ask for the drivers. On ALL other occasions it would not find the card and doing a manual install would not go throgh sucessfully. removing and moveing the card fixed it. so much for plug and "pray" MEanwhile on linux just had to pick the tulip driver and bingo done. <p>At 07:07 AM 12/12/2000 -0000, Alan Lenton wrote:

Actually this is a psychological problem, not a technical problem.

Anyone who has ever had to re-install Windows on a PC will be well aware that installing Linux with YAST is way easier than installing Windows.

So why do people think that installing Windows is easier than installing Linux?

The answers easy - most people never have to install Windows, it comes pre-installed, but they do have to install Linux. Doing something is always more difficult than not doing something!

So what's the solution? Other than passing laws require all boxes to be shipped with Linux installed, I'm not sure. But we are going to have to break through this barrier, and reasonably soon.

Alan Lenton

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Only problem I see is that there are many people out there who have heard of linux but havn't ventured into it because of the difficulties that they may have also heard of. Those same people are going to buy it from MS simply because they figure MS will make it easier for them. Hate to say it, but this means that linux needs to become as easy to install as MS or for that matter Mac which in my opinion is even easier than MS so that those people won't flock to an MS brand of linux (if that ever happens).

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Taxes are going up so fast, the government is likely to price itself out of the market.

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