[SLE] Debian's daunting installation -- Joe Barr
"Wrong. The Debian install sucks. This distribution is supposed to be the poster child for free software; it should be on an FBI Most Wanted poster. It's horrible. It is the worst OS install I've ever seen. It may be great once it's installed, and APT may be the world's finest tool for adding and upgrading applications, patching the kernel, and keeping up with security issues. But I can't say -- I can't get that far." After reading Joe's article, one must feel even more "warm and fuzzy" about SuSE. :) Fred http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/f_lw-09-vcontrol_2.html -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On 21-Sep-00 Fred A. Miller wrote:
"Wrong. The Debian install sucks. This distribution is supposed to be the poster child for free software; it should be on an FBI Most Wanted poster. It's horrible. It is the worst OS install I've ever seen. It may be great once it's installed, and APT may be the world's finest tool for adding and upgrading applications, patching the kernel, and keeping up with security issues. But I can't say -- I can't get that far."
After reading Joe's article, one must feel even more "warm and fuzzy" about SuSE. :)
Fred
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/f_lw-09-vcontrol_2.html
-- Not to start a war here, but I disagree. I'll admit you have to know your system a lot better for a Debian install. But its much more stable than SuSE...its maintainers put a lot more work into it (as in when a version is released it does usually have the patches for bugs that SuSE tends to release).
SuSE is a great distribution and its probably still somewhere between #2 or #3
for me right now. I'm in the process of converting over to a Stormix/Debian
combo. Stormix is basically what I would call a mix of the best of SuSE and
the best of Debian, making it really easy for newbies and experts too.
I've a few bad tastes in my mouth, from SuSE's more-than-the-usual number of
bugs in 6.4, to the price increases in 7.0...and then their space-bloat in
the entire install (if you disagree with the latter just trying
comparing an RPM distribution to a DEB-based one).
In short, I have no problem recommending SuSE to newbies, and businesses (lots
of good packages for that). Also many commercial-type packages (compared to
Debian's lack of pay-type apps, but then Stormix solves that lack). Stormix I
would recommend to newbies or experts. But Debian, only to experts!
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Arlen Carlson
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Arlen Carlson wrote:
SuSE is a great distribution and its probably still somewhere between #2 or #3 for me right now. I'm in the process of converting over to a Stormix/Debian combo. Stormix is basically what I would call a mix of the best of SuSE and the best of Debian, making it really easy for newbies and experts too.
I'm probably going to try Debian out because I really like apt and dpkg. However, I tried Stormix out and it pretty much grossed me out. Seemed like it was trying to hide too much from me and I really don't care for their graphical boot. -- Greg Thomas http://www.2fortheroad.net -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Arlen Carlson wrote:
SuSE is a great distribution and its probably still somewhere between #2 or #3 for me right now. I'm in the process of converting over to a Stormix/Debian combo. Stormix is basically what I would call a mix of the best of SuSE and the best of Debian, making it really easy for newbies and experts too.
I'm probably going to try Debian out because I really like apt and dpkg. However, I tried Stormix out and it pretty much grossed me out. Seemed like it was trying to hide too much from me and I really don't care for their graphical boot.
-- Greg Thomas http://www.2fortheroad.net
-- It's true that Stormix hides quite a bit in its initial install...requiring a person to then selectively deinstall anything unwanted, although with the
On 22-Sep-00 Greg Thomas wrote:
the easy-to-use Stormix Package Manager--but that could be a good thing for
newbies, but less desirable for experts. (I might add that I believe that the
Helix Gnome addition might be part of this "install things unwanted" aspect; I
didn't want games, but gnome-games is "part" of Helix Gnome from what I can
tell so far.) Debian on the other hand gives you granular control over all to be
installed right from the start.
Ah, the graphical boot, I hate(d) it too...I had the old rain/slink version
installed. But when I reinistalled with hail/potato, I discovered the
"graphical" check box in the LILO configuration. Now it goes graphical for
LILO, then back to text for boot-up messages, and then to gdm (Gnome Display
Manager) for login.
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Arlen Carlson
[Fred A. Miller passes on some FUD from a LinuxToday article]
"Wrong. The Debian install sucks. This distribution is supposed to be the poster child for free software; it should be on an FBI Most Wanted poster. It's horrible. It is the worst OS install I've ever seen. It may be great once it's installed, and APT may be the world's finest tool for adding and upgrading applications, patching the kernel, and keeping up with security issues. But I can't say -- I can't get that far." (http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2000-09/f_lw-09-vcontrol_2.html)
Yes Apt is very, very good. I greatly prefer it to rmp based package management.
After reading Joe's article, one must feel even more "warm and fuzzy" about SuSE. :)
Sure, but you might want to keep in mind that an article of the nature "Debian turned out to be quite easy to install..." is unlikely to get published. I installed Debian directly from the internet a while back, and I don't remember having any real troubles[*]. After installation it was at about the same level of functionality as my SuSE. The SuSE installation is overall less complicated with YaST, but Joe is wrong about Debian's difficulty to install from my perspective. There was a posting to SLE a while ago wherein the author proceeded to describe how nearly everything was broken in his SuSE install. I was astounded that so much could possibly go wrong, and didn't blame SuSE because I had already installed it. Imagine if that person had written his post (http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/2000-Jun/1900.html) up as a nice article for LinuxToday? ;-) David. [*] My troubles: 1. The installation properly configured my internet connection, but was unable to connect using it. I had to type 'pppd call bigskytel'. It gave me the option to rename the script, but still expected that it was called the default name. 2. The meta key in X was not set up. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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