[opensuse] Upgrade from 11.4?!?
Hi all, I am sick and tired of installing a fresh system every 18 months sop I was thinking of doing a "zypper dup" after switching the repos from 11.4 to 12.2. But I understand there are some changes (like Grub) that are quite significant. What is your advice. Could a "dup" work out right? Does this include switching to Grub 2? Kind regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-06 00:55, Smartysmart34 wrote:
Hi all,
I am sick and tired of installing a fresh system every 18 months sop I was thinking of doing a "zypper dup" after switching the repos from 11.4 to 12.2.
There two methods: [URL="http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade"] Online upgrade method[/URL] [URL="http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Offline_upgrade"] Offline upgrade method[/URL
But I understand there are some changes (like Grub) that are quite significant.
In a system upgrade your grub is maintained. IIRC you have to do the change later if you so wish. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCYWwcACgkQja8UbcUWM1xC5wD9GRJO85Gp/bYamMI5t9RIV0jl pms0wrbb0jTw93AyfmIA/jngf/GUgvUaNoZINwcAN9lxwnCppf3g+roctt1fSYnM =J913 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-06 00:55 (GMT+0100) Smartysmart34 composed:
I am sick and tired of installing a fresh system every 18 months sop I was thinking of doing a "zypper dup" after switching the repos from 11.4 to 12.2.
Did you consider going Evergreen instead? On that I'm still sitting on the fence.
But I understand there are some changes (like Grub) that are quite significant. What is your advice. Could a "dup" work out right? Does this include switching to Grub 2?
The default bootloader changed to Grub2 for new installations. For new installations, Grub Legacy remains an option. An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2. If concerned, do 'zypper al grub2' first, and zypper won't attempt to install Grub2. If you have a system booting fine using Grub Legacy, odds are a switch to Grub2 will have zero net benefit *at best*. The usual recommendation is not to do an upgrade that skips over a release. Better to upgrade 12.1 first. The extra installation time may be less than time spent repairing things or restoring backups after an unsupported skipover upgrade, and likely less frustrating. You might want to consider another upgrade skip: 'zypper al systemd-init'. This *should* keep you on your existing init system instead of switching to the new default systemd, which still has some maturing to do even in Factory for 12.3/13.1. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 19:35 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-11-06 00:55 (GMT+0100) Smartysmart34 composed:
I am sick and tired of installing a fresh system every 18 months sop I was thinking of doing a "zypper dup" after switching the repos from 11.4 to 12.2.
Did you consider going Evergreen instead? On that I'm still sitting on the fence.
But I understand there are some changes (like Grub) that are quite significant. What is your advice. Could a "dup" work out right? Does this include switching to Grub 2?
The default bootloader changed to Grub2 for new installations. For new installations, Grub Legacy remains an option. An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2. If concerned, do 'zypper al grub2' first, and zypper won't attempt to install Grub2.
Just for the record: I just performed an update from 11.4 -> 12.2 All seems well, with two small notes: You wrote "An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2" Not true. Just found out that i ended up with grub2 Not such a big deal, but at the grub-legacy i had to force the VGA-mode. I presume you can do a "vga=0x314" here also. Upgrade (zypper dup) took quite some time, but no issues Hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-09 13:28, Hans Witvliet wrote:
You wrote "An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2" Not true. Just found out that i ended up with grub2
That's a big surprise to me. :-( - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF0EAREIAAYFAlCc/AkACgkQja8UbcUWM1yk2wD4tugqtdKL8cX8goPnyTiw6Wfi Ydu1CWOAsBAzs0+tnQD+KzHtiZKOJHpYQ9VYYhSt9quI5bHNb/0IsrRa7JZw+d8= =0dsm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Il 09/11/2012 13:50, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2012-11-09 13:28, Hans Witvliet wrote:
You wrote "An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2" Not true. Just found out that i ended up with grub2
That's a big surprise to me. :-(
Very strange, i have done 6-7 updates from 11.4 to 12.2, and no one have grub2 as default boot loader after the update.... Claudio. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-09 14:16, Claudio ML wrote:
Il 09/11/2012 13:50, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2012-11-09 13:28, Hans Witvliet wrote:
You wrote "An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2" Not true. Just found out that i ended up with grub2
That's a big surprise to me. :-(
Very strange, i have done 6-7 updates from 11.4 to 12.2, and no one have grub2 as default boot loader after the update....
Maybe what he has is an entry in the grub 1 menu that is named "grub 2", which is different. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCdBWsACgkQja8UbcUWM1xA6QD9H0+P/1Y8Oni+vLOVRFswTjeS HTD7yyGhTgmLbIlCpgsBAII/ti25aYq4dlDIEuEIZqJKIZm6NiqpAraDkbHW5QPT =AjVM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 14:30 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-11-09 14:16, Claudio ML wrote:
Il 09/11/2012 13:50, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2012-11-09 13:28, Hans Witvliet wrote:
You wrote "An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2" Not true. Just found out that i ended up with grub2
That's a big surprise to me. :-(
Very strange, i have done 6-7 updates from 11.4 to 12.2, and no one have grub2 as default boot loader after the update....
Maybe what he has is an entry in the grub 1 menu that is named "grub 2", which is different.
Last week i installed another laptop and server from scratch from DVD. There i knew before, that i would get grub2 (which i needed anyway). So i think i would recognise grub2 ;-) Unless the current layout and appearence of grub-legacy is identical to grub2, grub got upgraded to grub2.... I don't mind (i think), but ended up with: grub2-2.00-1.15.1.x86_64 grub2-branding-openSUSE-12.2-11.12.1.noarch Only reason for mentioning it, is that i saw on the list that grub1 is supposed to be kept. hans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-09 13:28 (GMT+0100) Hans Witvliet composed:
On 2012-11-05 at 19:35 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
The default bootloader changed to Grub2 for new installations. For new installations, Grub Legacy remains an option. An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2. If concerned, do 'zypper al grub2' first, and zypper won't attempt to install Grub2.
Just for the record: I just performed an update from 11.4 -> 12.2 All seems well, with two small notes: You wrote "An upgrade isn't supposed to change you to Grub2" Not true. Just found out that i ended up with grub2
As does everyone who installs 12.2, whether they leave is as default or not, unless they lock out grub2 prior to the upgrade. Having it installed does not equate to having it usurp Grub Legacy as acting bootloader.
Not such a big deal, but at the grub-legacy i had to force the VGA-mode. I presume you can do a "vga=0x314" here also.
What's your output from 'cat /proc/cmdline?
Upgrade (zypper dup) took quite some time, but no issues -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Smartysmart34 wrote:
Hi all,
I am sick and tired of installing a fresh system every 18 months sop I was thinking of doing a "zypper dup" after switching the repos from 11.4 to 12.2.
But I understand there are some changes (like Grub) that are quite significant. What is your advice. Could a "dup" work out right?
I've upgraded a couple of systems from 11.4 to 12.2 with "zypper dup" - no problems, but I don't use grub. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/06/2012 01:55 AM, Smartysmart34 wrote:
was thinking of doing a "zypper dup" after switching the repos from 11.4 to 12.2.
But I understand there are some changes (like Grub) that are quite significant. What is your advice. Could a "dup" work out right? Does this include switching to Grub 2? .....................
from 11.4 to 12.2 using zypper dup worked just fine for me - while there are provisions for grub2 , the zypper dup installs grub legacy .......... best regards Ellan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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