How do I use Gnome if KDE is installed ?
Hello all, I have been using SuSE for awhile but always with kde. Last night I used APT and downloaded and installed (what I figure is all of) James Ogley's Gnome rpms from usr-local-bin. When apts had finished, I rebooted and tried to select gnome from the user log in consol window, but no entry to be found. Would anyone be so kind as to tell what exactly I need to do now in order to log and run SuSE 8.2 using a gnome interface? Computer setup : SuSE 8.2 PRO, KDE 3.1, apt, mozilla evolution,etc ... TIA James The following have been installed by APT Smooth-Engine_0.5-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm Smooth-Themes_0.0.20030716-SuSE.ulb.2_i586.rpm SuSEfirewall2_3.1-95_noarch.rpm XFree86-devel_4.3.0-19_i586.rpm atk_1.2.4-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm automake_1.7.5-17_i586.rpm control-center2_2.2.2-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm eel2_2.2.4-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm evolution_1.4.4-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm flac_1.1.0-43_i586.rpm gal2-0_1.99.9-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gdm2_2.4.1.6-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gftp_2.0.15-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gkrellm_2.1.16-0.pm.0_i586.rpm glib2-devel_2.2.3-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm glib2_2.2.3-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gnome-desktop_2.2.2-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gnome-icon-theme_1.0.7-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gnome-media2_2.2.2-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gnome-mime-data_2.2.1-SuSE.ulb.3_i586.rpm gnome-panel_2.2.2.2-SuSE.ulb.8_i586.rpm gnome-session_2.2.0.2-70_i586.rpm gnome-terminal_2.2.2-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gnome-themes-extras_0.3-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gnome-themes_2.2-40_i586.rpm gnome-vfs-extras_0.99.10-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gqview_1.3.2-0.pm.2_i586.rpm gstreamer-plugins-devel_0.6.3-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gstreamer_0.6.3-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gtk2-engines_2.2.0-87_i586.rpm gtk2_2.2.3-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm gtkhtml3.0_3.0.8-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm libgnome_2.2.3-1dna_i386.rpm libgnomeprintui_2.2.1.1-75_i586.rpm libgnomeui_2.2.2-1dna_i386.rpm libidl_0.8.0-148_i586.rpm libmusicbrainz_2.0.2-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm librsvg2_2.2.3-67_i586.rpm libsoup_1.99.23-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm libwnck_2.2.0-45_i586.rpm libxfce4mcs_3.99.3-2suse82_i486.rpm libxfce4util_3.99.3-2suse82_i486.rpm libxfcegui4_3.99.3-2suse82_i486.rpm lyx-1.3.2-1suse82-qt.i386.rpm metacity_2.4.34-71_i586.rpm mozilla-firebird_0.6.1-0.pm.0_i586.rpm mozilla_1.4-7_i586.rpm nautilus-media_0.3.3-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm nautilus2_2.2.4-SuSE.ulb.3_i586.rpm rhythmbox_0.5.2-SuSE.ulb.2_i586.rpm sox_12.17.3-493_i586.rpm startup-notification_0.5-39_i586.rpm themus_0.1.5-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm ttf-bitstream-vera_1.10-SuSE.ulb.1_i586.rpm ulb-gnome_0.3.2-SuSE.ulb.1_noarch.rpm vte_0.10.17-54_i586.rpm
The 03.09.04 at 21:19, James PEARSON wrote:
I have been using SuSE for awhile but always with kde.
Last night I used APT and downloaded and installed (what I figure is all of) James Ogley's Gnome rpms from usr-local-bin.
When apts had finished, I rebooted and tried to select gnome from the user log in consol window, but no entry to be found.
Er... there is no need to download anything to use gnome, nor reboot. It is all included on the suse CDs, although a different version. Just choose gnome in the login menu... -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 21:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Er... there is no need to download anything to use gnome, nor reboot. It is all included on the suse CDs, although a different version. Just choose gnome in the login menu... Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Thank you for your reply. Your answer is correct as I have installed other user interfaces using the SuSE CD's in just the same way. I will therefore restate my question: I want to check out James's version of Gnome (from usr-local-bin) because I am sure that it is pretty cool. I know nothing about GNOME (except that I installed RH once for a couple of days.) I believe that APT has installed all the neccessary rpms on my machine. I currently can't select GNOME from the login widow. How do go about adding James' version of Gnome to the login window? TIA James
* James PEARSON (jpearson3@wanadoo.fr) [030904 14:36]:
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 21:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Er... there is no need to download anything to use gnome, nor reboot. It is all included on the suse CDs, although a different version. Just choose gnome in the login menu... Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Thank you for your reply. Your answer is correct as I have installed other user interfaces using the SuSE CD's in just the same way.
I will therefore restate my question:
I want to check out James's version of Gnome (from usr-local-bin) because I am sure that it is pretty cool.
I know nothing about GNOME (except that I installed RH once for a couple of days.)
I believe that APT has installed all the neccessary rpms on my machine. I currently can't select GNOME from the login widow.
How do go about adding James' version of Gnome to the login window?
The ULB packages are drop in updates for the Gnome2 that comes on the CD's. They are much more up to date and quiet frankly with no offense intended to the person at SuSE who built the packages on the CDs...ULB's packages work..and work well. To use them you just have to choose gnome2 from the GUI login or you can change the line in /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager from DEFAULT_WM="kde" to DEFAULT_WM="gnome". Or you can edit your .xinitrc and at the end specify which WM to start..it would look like this.. # finally start the window manager # # exec $WINDOWMANAGER· exec /opt/gnome2/bin/gnome-session· It just depends on what you wish to do. But remember that the ULB packages are not a different take on Gnome for SuSE...James tries to stay true to where SuSE puts things..etc.etc. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
On Thursday 04 September 2003 5:33 pm, James PEARSON wrote: <snip>
I will therefore restate my question:
I want to check out James's version of Gnome (from usr-local-bin) because I am sure that it is pretty cool.
<snip>
How do go about adding James' version of Gnome to the login window?
TIA James
In kde > control center > system > login manager > sessions (must use admin mode). -- Franklin Maurer Using SuSE 8.2 Pro
The 03.09.04 at 23:33, James PEARSON wrote:
I will therefore restate my question:
I want to check out James's version of Gnome (from usr-local-bin) because I am sure that it is pretty cool.
Ahhhh... well. Anyway, I would start by using the suse version of gnome, get it working, and then upgrade. I'm not sure that the usr-local-bin version is yet complete, although that's his intention, I think.
I believe that APT has installed all the neccessary rpms on my machine. I currently can't select GNOME from the login widow.
Well, that happens to people now and then; but I don't remember the answer. Perhaps, as Yast has not installed it, it hasn't modified the menu. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
* Carlos E. R. (robin1.listas@tiscali.es) [030904 15:40]:
The 03.09.04 at 23:33, James PEARSON wrote:
I will therefore restate my question:
I want to check out James's version of Gnome (from usr-local-bin) because I am sure that it is pretty cool.
Ahhhh... well. Anyway, I would start by using the suse version of gnome, get it working, and then upgrade. I'm not sure that the usr-local-bin version is yet complete, although that's his intention, I think.
Install the pkgs from the CD's and use the ULB packages to upgrade. If you look at the CORE section then you'll see it's absolutely up to date. It's a "drop in UPGRADE" for the packages on the SuSE CD's. I have had absolutely no problems with it at all..and I've not seen Gnome accept in screenshots since I switched to KDE 3 years ago. I've been using the ULB Gnome2 UPGRADE packages since James started building the core packages. They work..no weird stuff like with Ximian..no halfass stuff like the core SuSE Gnome2 stuff..it just plain works. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
The 03.09.04 at 16:21, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Gnome2 UPGRADE packages since James started building the core packages. They work..no weird stuff like with Ximian..no halfass stuff like the core SuSE Gnome2 stuff..it just plain works.
I know... in my case, I can not download everything with a modem. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
* Carlos E. R. (robin1.listas@tiscali.es) [030904 16:44]:
The 03.09.04 at 16:21, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Gnome2 UPGRADE packages since James started building the core packages. They work..no weird stuff like with Ximian..no halfass stuff like the core SuSE Gnome2 stuff..it just plain works.
I know... in my case, I can not download everything with a modem.
Umm..ok. I thought you were just recommending he start with the CD version because SuSE actually made the pkgs on the CD's. I didn't know you were talking about yourself not having a fast enough connection to grab it all at once. No worries. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
The 03.09.04 at 16:50, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
I know... in my case, I can not download everything with a modem.
Umm..ok. I thought you were just recommending he start with the CD version because SuSE actually made the pkgs on the CD's. I didn't know you were talking about yourself not having a fast enough connection to grab it all at once. No worries.
Well, both things :-) I think it would be easier to install from the suse CD, let yast do its work and configure everything, and then upgrade to ULB, once the system is configured to use gnome. I'm lazy :-) And, of course, I don't do it myself because I don't have the bandwidth I'd need to get everything I fancy ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
I'm compiling a C++ project using gcc under Suse 8.2. Some exceptions being thrown are not being caught and I suspect this is a problem with the version of gcc, which announces itself as a 3.3 prerelease version. I found some discussions on a message board about gcc indicating that some versions have trouble catching exceptions, and the same code works when compiled with MS VC++. So I'd like to upgrade gcc to the latest stable release, which is 3.3.1. The trouble is, the binary RPMs for gcc 3.3.1 and associated libraries on the net all appear to need RPM version 4. Does anyone know a workaround? I guess I could build gcc 3.3.1 from the sources (assuming I can find a source RPM that doesn't nee RPM 4), but I was hoping to avoid that. David Crocker Escher Technologies Ltd. www.eschertech.com
My Turn to try and answer someones question. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong or leave anything out. On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:33, James PEARSON wrote: <snip>
I will therefore restate my question:
I want to check out James's version of Gnome (from usr-local-bin) because I am sure that it is pretty cool.
It is.
I know nothing about GNOME (except that I installed RH once for a couple of days.)
I believe that APT has installed all the neccessary rpms on my machine. I currently can't select GNOME from the login widow.
How do go about adding James' version of Gnome to the login window?
If the ulb packages have been downloaded and installed by apt... 1. as root, at a shell type # SuSEconfig, 2. restart X (not sure how to do this without rebooting the machine. anyone ?) I think restarting X will log you out an bring you back to kdm. You should now see gnome as an entry in the dropdown menu for kdm. The Gnome that is there will be the one from James if in fact apt downloaded and installed the ulb's. The main menu will have 'user-local-bin on the side' How did I do? -=Thinker
Thinker said...
1. as root, at a shell type # SuSEconfig, 2. restart X (not sure how to do this without rebooting the machine. anyone ?)
I took Thinkers advice as I read it first and ran SuSEconfig , rebooted and that solved my problem. Thank you. I was surprised (and more that a bit embarassed by my dumb question) that it was as easy as that. I still don't understand all the things that SuSEconfig does (or can do)... I was more expecting the annswer to be the either : the one given by Franklin Maurer given by In kde > control center > system > login manager > sessions (must use admin mode). Or the one given by Ben : To use them you just have to choose gnome2 from the GUI login or you can change the line in /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager from DEFAULT_WM="kde" to DEFAULT_WM="gnome". ################################ That being said James' version of GNOME is really cool. Better yet, Evolution and Mozilla (2 of my favourite apps) seem to run a lot faster. I am going to run this UI for awhile and check it out. It seems a lot faster than kde. Thank you usr-local-bin ################################ I have 2 more questions if I may.... Question #1 Is there a command or way to add a "SHOW DESKTOP" button to the upper control bar strip? Question #2 How do I go about adding Galeon? When I tried using APT linux:~ # apt-get install galeon Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: galeon: Depends: mozilla-gtk2 E: Broken packages linux:~ # apt-get install mozilla-gtk2 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package mozilla-gtk2 is a virtual package provided by: You should explicitly select one to install. E: Package mozilla-gtk2 has no installation candidat Thanks to add that replied. @+ James
I still don't understand all the things that SuSEconfig does (or can do)...
It can do just about anything if an appropriate script is written :)
Thank you usr-local-bin
My pleasure :)
Question #1 Is there a command or way to add a "SHOW DESKTOP" button to the upper control bar strip?
Either middle-click and drag the one on the bottom panel to the top, or right click on the top panel, and in the menu go: Add to panel -> Utility -> Show Desktop Button
Question #2 How do I go about adding Galeon? When I tried using APT galeon: Depends: mozilla-gtk2 Package mozilla-gtk2 is a virtual package provided by: You should explicitly select one to install. E: Package mozilla-gtk2 has no installation candidat
I'm not an APT guru, so someone else feel free to correct me... try apt-get install mozilla-1.4-SuSE.ulb.1 If APT can't do that, you can always manually install the Mozilla packages from www.usr-local-bin.org and then let APT get Galeon for you :) -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
* James Ogley (james@usr-local-bin.org) [030904 23:57]:
I'm not an APT guru, so someone else feel free to correct me...
try apt-get install mozilla-1.4-SuSE.ulb.1
If APT can't do that, you can always manually install the Mozilla packages from www.usr-local-bin.org and then let APT get Galeon for you
If you've already got mozilla-1.4-7 which are the 1.4 SuSE packages installed apt will see them as newer then the ULB packages and therefore not install the ULB packages which are listed as a Dep for the ULB Galeon package. So I would uninstall the Mozilla-1.4-7 pkgs..install the ULB packages and just put 1 of them in /etc/apt/apt.conf to be held so that apt doesn't upgrade to the -7 SuSE packages. The SuSE packages gain you nothing really. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
If you've already got mozilla-1.4-7 which are the 1.4 SuSE packages installed apt will see them as newer then the ULB packages and therefore not install the ULB packages which are listed as a Dep for the ULB Galeon package. So I would uninstall the Mozilla-1.4-7 pkgs..install the ULB packages and just put 1 of them in /etc/apt/apt.conf to be held so that apt doesn't upgrade to the -7 SuSE packages. The SuSE packages gain you nothing really.
Alternatively, I've removed mozilla from my sources.list file - which means I will always have my Mozilla packages installed (as they're in usr-local-bin) My sources.list looks like this: rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/8.2-i386 update kde3-stable kde packman packman-i686 security xfree86 usr-local-bin rpm http://students.oamk.fi/~olilju00 i386 xfce4 -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
* James Ogley (james@usr-local-bin.org) [030905 07:27]:
If you've already got mozilla-1.4-7 which are the 1.4 SuSE packages installed apt will see them as newer then the ULB packages and therefore not install the ULB packages which are listed as a Dep for the ULB Galeon package. So I would uninstall the Mozilla-1.4-7 pkgs..install the ULB packages and just put 1 of them in /etc/apt/apt.conf to be held so that apt doesn't upgrade to the -7 SuSE packages. The SuSE packages gain you nothing really.
Alternatively, I've removed mozilla from my sources.list file - which means I will always have my Mozilla packages installed (as they're in usr-local-bin)
My sources.list looks like this: rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/8.2-i386 update kde3-stable kde packman packman-i686 security xfree86 usr-local-bin rpm http://students.oamk.fi/~olilju00 i386 xfce4
Fine just do stuff the easy way. ;) I'm just gonna go slink off embarrassed now. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
Op vrijdag 5 september 2003 16:30, schreef Ben Rosenberg:
* James Ogley (james@usr-local-bin.org) [030905 07:27]:
If you've already got mozilla-1.4-7 which are the 1.4 SuSE packages installed apt will see them as newer then the ULB packages and therefore not install the ULB packages which are listed as a Dep for the ULB Galeon package. So I would uninstall the Mozilla-1.4-7 pkgs..install the ULB packages and just put 1 of them in /etc/apt/apt.conf to be held so that apt doesn't upgrade to the -7 SuSE packages. The SuSE packages gain you nothing really.
Alternatively, I've removed mozilla from my sources.list file - which means I will always have my Mozilla packages installed (as they're in usr-local-bin)
My sources.list looks like this: rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/8.2-i386 update kde3-stable kde packman packman-i686 security xfree86 usr-local-bin rpm http://students.oamk.fi/~olilju00 i386 xfce4
Fine just do stuff the easy way. ;)
I'm just gonna go slink off embarrassed now.
Or just do nothing at all, as the 1.4-7 version has just been rejected from the apt repository. So there is now only 1.4-2 being the gtk2 mozilla version :) -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
* Richard Bos (radoeka@xs4all.nl) [030905 07:48]:
Op vrijdag 5 september 2003 16:30, schreef Ben Rosenberg:
* James Ogley (james@usr-local-bin.org) [030905 07:27]:
If you've already got mozilla-1.4-7 which are the 1.4 SuSE packages installed apt will see them as newer then the ULB packages and therefore not install the ULB packages which are listed as a Dep for the ULB Galeon package. So I would uninstall the Mozilla-1.4-7 pkgs..install the ULB packages and just put 1 of them in /etc/apt/apt.conf to be held so that apt doesn't upgrade to the -7 SuSE packages. The SuSE packages gain you nothing really.
Alternatively, I've removed mozilla from my sources.list file - which means I will always have my Mozilla packages installed (as they're in usr-local-bin)
My sources.list looks like this: rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/8.2-i386 update kde3-stable kde packman packman-i686 security xfree86 usr-local-bin rpm http://students.oamk.fi/~olilju00 i386 xfce4
Fine just do stuff the easy way. ;)
I'm just gonna go slink off embarrassed now.
Or just do nothing at all, as the 1.4-7 version has just been rejected from the apt repository. So there is now only 1.4-2 being the gtk2 mozilla version :)
The 1.4-2 packages are still not ULB packages which are deps of Galeon-ULB packages. :) This is what I was talking about. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.
2. restart X (not sure how to do this without rebooting the machine. anyone ?)
When not logged in (ie with the login screen showing), drop to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-F1 will do the trick), login as root, and do: rcxdm restart ; logout -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.2). GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org
The 03.09.05 at 07:50, James Ogley wrote:
2. restart X (not sure how to do this without rebooting the machine. anyone ?)
When not logged in (ie with the login screen showing), drop to a text console (Ctrl-Alt-F1 will do the trick), login as root, and do:
rcxdm restart ; logout
More complete: "init 3; init 5" Faster: Ctrl-alt-backspace on the login window. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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