[opensuse] konvenientSUSE

Martin Schlander

23 Aug 2006 23 Aug '06

23:15

New release is out. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378 New features: - A script that patches fresh installations with a single click - Install Nvidia/ATi KMPs - Script for installing GNOME specific multimedia stuff Some fixes. Todo: Build RPM for it More polish Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Marcel Mourguiart

24 Aug 24 Aug

00:40

2006/8/24, Martin Schlander :

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New release is out. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378

New features: - A script that patches fresh installations with a single click - Install Nvidia/ATi KMPs - Script for installing GNOME specific multimedia stuff

Great !! this is just what i was looking for :) THANKS -- Marcel Mourguiart

Clayton

06:25

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New release is out. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378

New features: - A script that patches fresh installations with a single click - Install Nvidia/ATi KMPs - Script for installing GNOME specific multimedia stuff

Wow... this is something that SUSE DESPERATELY needs. Would it be hoping too much to find it included on the SUSE 10.2 release? Probably.... :-( This makes my job of supporting SUSE on new users machines SO much easier! C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

06:34

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:25:51AM +0200, Clayton wrote:

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New release is out. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378

New features: - A script that patches fresh installations with a single click - Install Nvidia/ATi KMPs - Script for installing GNOME specific multimedia stuff

Wow... this is something that SUSE DESPERATELY needs. Would it be hoping too much to find it included on the SUSE 10.2 release? Probably.... :-(

This makes my job of supporting SUSE on new users machines SO much easier!

What part of it? 1. Should be done by better package management anyway. 2. This would require NVidia / ATI KMP support ... for 10.1 we just get it because SLED10 has it ... The registration process auto-adds those repos on SLED10, we could do similar on 10.2. 3. Users wishes might vary and we cannot provide auto install support for some repos for legal reasons. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

06:57

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What part of it?

Where do I start? Smart as supplied on the SUSE disks does not have the extra 3rd party repos added. I have to provide specific instructions to the new users I support on how to go to the Guru site and download/install the version provided there - which has all the 3rd party repos added in.

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1. Should be done by better package management anyway.

Agreed... and hopefully that's coming in 10.2 :-)

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2. This would require NVidia / ATI KMP support ... for 10.1 we just get it because SLED10 has it ...

True... and? I'm not sure what you mean by "for 10.1 we just get it because SLED10 has it ..." just get what?

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The registration process auto-adds those repos on SLED10, we could do similar on 10.2.

OK... I haven't used SLED (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop?). I use the "full" SUSE 10.1... and will be using the upcoming openSUSE 10.2 release. So you're telling me that once you register SLED, you get the 3rd party repos added in? Wow... ummm... really? If that's the case... why the lack of support in 10.1?

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3. Users wishes might vary and we cannot provide auto install support for some repos for legal reasons.

Agreed... I understand that, BUT... it is pretty much a well known fact that users... as in home users demand multimedia support. (for example). That is not well supported in SUSE (or most Linux distros to be honest). The reality is... people want tp play music and video.. to be able to watch embedded video on websites... to listen to radio streams etc etc. You cannot do that with a normally installed SUSE. You must install all those "naughty" extras. I am fully aware of the legal implications... but as an end user I find it unacceptable that the solution is to not have a solution. There MUST be some compromise or licensing solution that will give people what they want! Adding the Guru and Packman repos... having a one or two click installation of my nVidia or ATI drivers (just like it used to be in SUSE)... being able to play my legally purchased DVDs... it's all important to me and improtant to the people I'm helping migrate to SUSE. So what part of it? All of it (except maybe the patching thing... that works in my experience.. if the patching is done during the installation). C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

17:37

On Aug 24, 06 08:57:37 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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3. Users wishes might vary and we cannot provide auto install support for some repos for legal reasons.

Agreed... I understand that, BUT... it is pretty much a well known fact that users... as in home users demand multimedia support. (for

So what? Yes, they demand it, no, we CANNOT deliver that right now. Full stop.

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example). That is not well supported in SUSE (or most Linux distros to be honest). The reality is... people want tp play music and

This isn't supported on ANY linux distribution that cares about legal issues (don't know about chinese distributions). Ubuntu users can use (unofficial!) Debian packages - so can SUSE users with Pakman. BTW - Windows doesn't do any multimedia appart from playing mp3s as well, and mp3s work out-of-the-box on SL 10.1.

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video.. to be able to watch embedded video on websites... to listen to radio streams etc etc. You cannot do that with a normally installed SUSE. You must install all those "naughty" extras.

So you have to do on Windows. Sigh.

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I am fully aware of the legal implications... but as an end user I find it unacceptable that the solution is to not have a solution.

Windows doesn't have one. Users accept this, and install XVid, DivX, Vorbis, etc. themselves. Why isn't this accepted in the Linux world?!?

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There MUST be some compromise or licensing solution that will give people what they want!

Learn the implied costs for all codec licenses and ask again... Yes, there might be support for some codecs in the future, yes, we do know about everyone wanting this to work on a basic system, yes, we do work on it, no, it won't come fast.

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Adding the Guru and Packman repos... having a one or two click installation of my nVidia or ATI drivers (just like it used to be in SUSE)... being able to play my legally purchased DVDs... it's all important to me and improtant to the people I'm helping migrate to SUSE.

Adding a link to Pakman implies similar legal issues than just adding the packages on the medium. This has been asked and commented a thousand times. Nuff said. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf , SuSE labs, Zimmer 3.2.06, Tel. 74053-715 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Marcel Mourguiart

18:16

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This has been asked and commented a thousand times. Nuff said.

Asking what ?? no body made a question or even a critic. Matthias and Marcus, you are losing the point here. Suse 10.1 can't play divx, encrypted dvd, have issues in fresh installs and need proprietary drivers froms ATI and Nvidia to have 3D acceleration in some machines. Is Suse problem or Novell or Legal ... i don't know and the people who i give support just don't care. This meant a lot of work given support to new user in order to make suse work, know this script help me a lot and help a lot of others persons to make this things work in a easy way, and you jump like this is critic to your work ?? Not even a thanks to take the time to make a script that improve suse 10.1 ?? I really don't get you guys. -- Marcel Mourguiart

Marcus Meissner

19:16

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:16:17PM -0400, Marcel Mourguiart wrote:

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This has been asked and commented a thousand times. Nuff said.

Asking what ?? no body made a question or even a critic.

Matthias and Marcus, you are losing the point here.

Suse 10.1 can't play divx, encrypted dvd

Due to legal reasons, correct.

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have issues in fresh installs and

This is a known problem which will be better for 10.2.

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need proprietary drivers froms ATI and Nvidia to have 3D acceleration in some machines.

Neither ATI nor NVIDIA allow us to ship their drivers with our products if I remember correctly. So there is not much we can do. ALso while NVIDIA is "barely" accepted legal wise from the Kernel community, the ATI kernel driver is supposed to have GPL problems. (IANAL)

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Is Suse problem or Novell or Legal ... i don't know and the people who i give support just don't care.

We would very very much have it better.

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This meant a lot of work given support to new user in order to make suse work, know this script help me a lot and help a lot of others persons to make this things work in a easy way, and you jump like this is critic to your work ?? Not even a thanks to take the time to make a script that improve suse 10.1 ?? I really don't get you guys.

You asked for inclusion into 10.2 itself ... I explained why we likely won't do it. I welcome that you do this for 10.1 and find it a nice solution. :) Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

25 Aug 25 Aug

09:22

On Aug 24, 06 21:16:36 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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need proprietary drivers froms ATI and Nvidia to have 3D acceleration in some machines.

Neither ATI nor NVIDIA allow us to ship their drivers with our products if I remember correctly. So there is not much we can do.

Actually, they would. It just we cannot ship them due to:

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ALso while NVIDIA is "barely" accepted legal wise from the Kernel community, the ATI kernel driver is supposed to have GPL problems. (IANAL)

Both drivers are considered to be breaking the GPL by the kernel community. The ATI has additional license issues, but these only make the issue more visible. That's why we cannot ship them ourselves. The legal implications can give you nightmares if you think them through. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf , SuSE labs, Zimmer 3.2.06, Tel. 74053-715 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

09:18

On Aug 24, 06 14:16:17 -0400, Marcel Mourguiart wrote:

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This has been asked and commented a thousand times. Nuff said.

Asking what ?? no body made a question or even a critic.

Well, I read your mail as implicit critic. Which is ok, of course. Still, the issues have been discussed a thousand times in public, and I'm personally getting bored to repeat them over and over again. Still I do, because I want to make sure you understand that we (as a company) CANNOT solve all problems satisfactory.

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Suse 10.1 can't play divx, encrypted dvd,

Neither can Redhat, Ubunto, Debian, Windows, ... For Redhat, Ubunto, Debian, SUSE you can install players from support sites. For Windows you even have to buy(!) DVD software. There was a free player some day, I don't think you can still download it anywhere. Don't mix this up with preinstalled systems. We only have few so far, and thos lack additional software (like in the Windows world). We're working on that, but that takes time, and higher use rates...

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have issues in fresh installs and

Don't tell us about that. We know that. What shall I say :-(

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need proprietary drivers froms ATI and Nvidia to have 3D acceleration in some machines. Is Suse problem or Novell or Legal ... i don't know and the people who i give support just don't care.

In case this came across wrong: I appreciate your work, and surely don't have anything against your script. It's just that most parts cannot be included in our product. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Marcel Mourguiart

14:42

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need proprietary drivers froms ATI and Nvidia to have 3D acceleration in some machines. Is Suse problem or Novell or Legal ... i don't know and the people who i give support just don't care.

In case this came across wrong: I appreciate your work, and surely don't have anything against your script.

You get me wrong, is not my script. It's just that most parts cannot be

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included in our product.

I know, that's why i'm not asking you to do it and that's why this help me a lot. -- Marcel Mourguiart

Clayton

24 Aug 24 Aug

20:49

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So what? Yes, they demand it, no, we CANNOT deliver that right now. Full stop.

So what? You try telling that to some new user who's interested in this Linux thing... Saying "it's not legal to include on the SUSE DVD" is a perfectly legitamate answer. What I have a MAJOR issue with is that there are NO LEGAL avenues or alternatives. To get that much demanded multimedia playback the user has the choice of.... a 3rd party repository that is clearly at the minimum a grey area in terms of legality in most parts of the world. I'm not saying that SUSE is at fault here... I know the whole issue... I understand it... and I hate it.

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Ubuntu users can use (unofficial!) Debian packages - so can SUSE users with Pakman.

BUT.... Ubuntu provides an easy way for users to add in those extras. SUSE does not. I know there are good reasons (as thrashed to death here). Imagine youreslef a new user... one who can't wade through the misery that is the openSUSE wiki. You want to play that video that Uncle Bob emailed you. You cannot... unless you stumble on the handy addon that started this thread :-P

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I am fully aware of the legal implications... but as an end user I find it unacceptable that the solution is to not have a solution.

Windows doesn't have one. Users accept this, and install XVid, DivX, Vorbis, etc. themselves. Why isn't this accepted in the Linux world?!?

You're missing the point. Windows users do have a solution. They have easy to find and single click install applications. You take your average computer user and you tell them.. Go install PowerDVD (or whatever) in Windows. They can because it takes very little technical knowledge... and they have a fully legitamate solution available in the form of a bit of software they can purchase and download. They want to do the same in SUSE... and I have to take them to the back room (figuratively speaking) and tell them that there is no legal way to do it... but if they go over here... add a repository (following cryptic info on the openSUSE Wiki)... at this point their eyes glaze over... Tell me... what's the difference between telling people how to add the repositories on the openSUSE Wiki, and doing the Ubuntu thing and including them (disabled) in the packagemanager of choice? Anyway, I'm not trying to slag on SUSE... just voicing the frustration I face every day when people I'm trying to help migrate to SUSE are grousing at me about Linux etc etc. It's not accepting that they have to download drivers and apps separately.... it's the fact that there is so often no legal solution... and what solution there is, is complex convoluted and obsfucated. You now, as I think of it, maybe the reason thsi isn't accepted in teh Linux world is that when someone gets the SUSE distro, they get what appears to be a complete solution. They get all the apps.. they get Openoffice, The Gimp, GAIM, Kopete, video players, browsers... everything.. except the bit the really want... the elusive multimedia. Maybe this is why the new users get cranky... I don't know. I do know I hate being on the front lines and facing them some days....

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Yes, there might be support for some codecs in the future, yes, we do know about everyone wanting this to work on a basic system, yes, we do work on it, no, it won't come fast.

I know... :-) As much as I detest Real Player.... what about the announcement that they are licensing the Windows media codecs including WMV... like they did with MP3. While I will continue to use Guru and Packman solutions... the Real Media way would probably work fine for the new users. C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Hopf

25 Aug 25 Aug

09:45

On Aug 24, 06 22:49:48 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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is a perfectly legitamate answer. What I have a MAJOR issue with is that there are NO LEGAL avenues or alternatives. To get that much demanded multimedia playback the user has the choice of.... a 3rd party repository that is clearly at the minimum a grey area in terms of legality in most parts of the world.

We (Marcus and I) are not lawyers. Lawyers have checked the alternatives, and that's what we stand now.

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I'm not saying that SUSE is at fault here... I know the whole issue... I understand it... and I hate it.

AOL (read: me too).

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Ubuntu users can use (unofficial!) Debian packages - so can SUSE users with Pakman.

BUT.... Ubuntu provides an easy way for users to add in those extras.

Good point. I have never (personally) installed Ubunto, so I don't know that much. But if they do, they are doing at great risk getting sued.

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I am fully aware of the legal implications... but as an end user I find it unacceptable that the solution is to not have a solution.

Windows doesn't have one. Users accept this, and install XVid, DivX, Vorbis, etc. themselves. Why isn't this accepted in the Linux world?!?

You're missing the point. Windows users do have a solution. They have easy to find and single click install applications. You take

Well, with a well configured system (I hope SUSE is like this) you should be able to click on an rpm and it gets installed. I consider this pretty much the same. You are right in that Linux is still lacking a general installer mechanism (with GUI, text or graphic) for complex packages that need to be configured.

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want to do the same in SUSE... and I have to take them to the back room (figuratively speaking) and tell them that there is no legal way

Actually, you would have to do that if they want to install XVid or one of the zillion codec packs. I know more people that had issues with playing certain files on Windows than I know people having difficulties with installing xine or mplayer on linux. Well, probably the linux guys are better in computer use, so the comparison isn't fair, I admit.

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to do it... but if they go over here... add a repository (following cryptic info on the openSUSE Wiki)... at this point their eyes glaze over...

If the info on the openSUSE Wiki is cryptic, please, PLEASE improve it. It has probably been created by a technical guy (like us), who do not remember/know any more what a less skilled person can stumble upon.

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Tell me... what's the difference between telling people how to add the repositories on the openSUSE Wiki, and doing the Ubuntu thing and including them (disabled) in the packagemanager of choice?

This is a big legal difference. Do ask me for details (I'm not a lawyer), but basically you get deeper involved, if you (officially) advertize a repository. Also, there are some issues with the packages e.g. on pakman (e.g. the xine pakage is completely different, even though it could be created with all codecs from the same source), so you cannot easily add the repository additinonally.

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You now, as I think of it, maybe the reason thsi isn't accepted in teh Linux world is that when someone gets the SUSE distro, they get what appears to be a complete solution. They get all the apps.. they get Openoffice, The Gimp, GAIM, Kopete, video players, browsers... everything.. except the bit the really want... the elusive multimedia.

That's a good point!

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As much as I detest Real Player.... what about the announcement that they are licensing the Windows media codecs including WMV... like they did with MP3. While I will continue to use Guru and Packman solutions... the Real Media way would probably work fine for the new users.

We'll see. The idea sounds reasonable to me. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

10:55

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BUT.... Ubuntu provides an easy way for users to add in those extras.

Good point. I have never (personally) installed Ubunto, so I don't know that much. But if they do, they are doing at great risk getting sued.

That's interesting... I wish I knew an Intellectual Property lawyer so I could quiz him/her on this :-) We all find this business of (mainly American) software patents getting "in the way" of gettign things done. I don't envy the Novell/SUSE predicament. Sigh

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Well, with a well configured system (I hope SUSE is like this) you should be able to click on an rpm and it gets installed. I consider this pretty much the same.

True... as long as you don't try to do it in 10.1 :-( If I do that in 10.1 on my dual CPU system (fully updated with all the patches), it takes between 3 and 5 minutes for the ZMD window to pop up. It's even longer on the older computers that people are installign 10.1 on.

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You are right in that Linux is still lacking a general installer mechanism (with GUI, text or graphic) for complex packages that need to be configured.

There is a general installer that Linux Game Publishing is using (I beta test for them)... it's teh Loki installer. It works pretty good. Probably not so practical for all software, but it does a fine job of handling the install of all the games I've Beta tested for them. It even handles software updates fast and easy.

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If the info on the openSUSE Wiki is cryptic, please, PLEASE improve it. It has probably been created by a technical guy (like us), who do not remember/know any more what a less skilled person can stumble upon.

I'm always reluctant to change anything... I feel like I am.. I dunno.. under qualified to be making changes. I think it comes down to wondering if the "solution" I found.. that worked for me is actually correct enough to be included in the wiki. I'll try to make notes on the next install.

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As much as I detest Real Player.... what about the announcement that they are licensing the Windows media codecs including WMV... like they did with MP3. While I will continue to use Guru and Packman solutions... the Real Media way would probably work fine for the new users.

We'll see. The idea sounds reasonable to me.

Is it on the wishlist for 10.2? I haven't had time to even look to see if the things I put on teh wish list for 10.1 got included. C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David Chapman

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On Fri August 25 2006 10:45, Matthias Hopf wrote:

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As much as I detest Real Player.... what about the announcement that they are licensing the Windows media codecs including WMV... like they did with MP3. While I will continue to use Guru and Packman solutions... the Real Media way would probably work fine for the new users.

We'll see. The idea sounds reasonable to me.

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Martin Schlander

24 Aug 24 Aug

10:04

Torsdag 24 august 2006 08:34 skrev Marcus Meissner:

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2. This would require NVidia / ATI KMP support ... for 10.1 we just get it because SLED10 has it ...

That's dropping a bomb. Suddenly you realize how quickly you get used to nice things. Is there no way to provide the KMPs for 10.2? I figured you guys did all the work anyway and ATi/Nvidia merely hosted the stuff. How about KMPs by for example Packman for 10.2, possible? And when service packs are released for SLE in the future will kernel syncs be likely? Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

10:08

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:04:54PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag 24 august 2006 08:34 skrev Marcus Meissner:

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2. This would require NVidia / ATI KMP support ... for 10.1 we just get it because SLED10 has it ...

That's dropping a bomb. Suddenly you realize how quickly you get used to nice things.

Yeah.

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Is there no way to provide the KMPs for 10.2? I figured you guys did all the work anyway and ATi/Nvidia merely hosted the stuff.

In the background we do that I think, as a service for the above partners.

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How about KMPs by for example Packman for 10.2, possible? And when service packs are released for SLE in the future will kernel syncs be likely?

Its not clear how ATI and NVIDIA modules will be provided for 10.2. :/ I hope that we can do similar, but it needs to be discussed internally. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Pascal Bleser

21:15

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Torsdag 24 august 2006 08:34 skrev Marcus Meissner:

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2. This would require NVidia / ATI KMP support ... for 10.1 we just get it because SLED10 has it ...

That's dropping a bomb. Suddenly you realize how quickly you get used to nice things.

Is there no way to provide the KMPs for 10.2? I figured you guys did all the work anyway and ATi/Nvidia merely hosted the stuff. How about KMPs by for example Packman for 10.2, possible? And when service packs are released for

nvidia drivers hosted at packman ? oO Will we (=packman team) have to sign NDAs ? ;) Martin, you arrange the deal, contracts and stuff with nvidia and ati, we maintain the KMPs ;) - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7hcMr3NMWliFcXcRAuMRAJ92y0yz7bYlE1K4O3Me2efFx5UbqwCgoM9k 2ypsQbYX9RS3EPVVINP8Lec= =UrvO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andreas Hanke

21:32

Hi, Pascal Bleser schrieb:

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Martin, you arrange the deal, contracts and stuff with nvidia and ati, we maintain the KMPs ;)

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Marcel Mourguiart

15:58

2006/8/24, Marcus Meissner :

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:25:51AM +0200, Clayton wrote:

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New release is out. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378

New features: - A script that patches fresh installations with a single click - Install Nvidia/ATi KMPs - Script for installing GNOME specific multimedia stuff

Wow... this is something that SUSE DESPERATELY needs. Would it be hoping too much to find it included on the SUSE 10.2 release? Probably.... :-(

This makes my job of supporting SUSE on new users machines SO much easier!

What part of it?

1. Should be done by better package management anyway.

2. This would require NVidia / ATI KMP support ... for 10.1 we just get it because SLED10 has it ...

The registration process auto-adds those repos on SLED10, we could do similar on 10.2.

3. Users wishes might vary and we cannot provide auto install support for some repos for legal reasons.

Well that's why, just like Clayton ... "This makes my job of supporting SUSE on new users machines SO much easier!" This is not a flame post, this really help supporting Suse 10.1 on new users machines, full multimedia ( including WMV and encripted DVD ), install proprietary drivers in a easy way, patch bugs in 10.1 fresh installation, are things people want and just doesn't matter is you don't have those features because for legal reason or because is in SLED10, is just not the point, we are talking about helping people who want to use Suse 10.1 Again, thanks for this script you are helping a lot with this, i had see something similar in Ubuntu is good to know now is in Suse too. -- Marcel Mourguiart

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On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 02:40 +0200, Marcel Mourguiart wrote:

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2006/8/24, Martin Schlander : New release is out. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378

New features: - A script that patches fresh installations with a single click - Install Nvidia/ATi KMPs - Script for installing GNOME specific multimedia stuff

Great !! this is just what i was looking for :)

THANKS

-- Marcel Mourguiart

Yes, it helps a lot. On the installation: Would like the old progress bar or something to tell me what is being done, and the result though. A nice to have I know ... buttons go grey when clicked and after a short while go normal again. I take it that it has finished the install when it becomes normal again, or did it not install and needs other required packages? :-) Al --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Torsdag 24 august 2006 22:40 skrev LLLActive@GMX.Net:

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Yes, it helps a lot. On the installation: Would like the old progress bar or something to tell me what is being done, and the result though. A nice to have I know ... buttons go grey when clicked and after a short while go normal again. I take it that it has finished the install when it becomes normal again, or did it not install and needs other required packages?

I try to be very explicit about what each button does. Each button executes a small script - sometimes just a single command, when the button is not grey anymore the script is done. Hopefully succesfully - but things can fail. Maybe the redirect URLs handed out a bad mirror, maybe the user forgot to lower rug security level or update smart channels, maybe their internet connection is bad etc. To get better feedback I'll recommend running it from a root terminal - that way you can follow the process in the terminal output. Not very noob friendly I know. I'll try to look into using Kommander's possibilities better in this respect but I'm afraid they're limited - as is documentation. And unfortunately my middle name is neither C++ nor Qt. But I'm considering ways to improve in this area - I'm looking into building a RPM - maybe I'll have the menu-entry always run the script in a terminal - might be a bit confusing to users - but they'll have more feedback - and they'll be able to see what goes wrong if something doesn't work right. Just an idea so far. Btw. you can open the .kmdr file with a text-editor since it's actually just an xml-file - however this also means that it's not easily readable. But it's one way to see what the script does beforehand. You can also open the script with kommander-editor. Simply right click on the buttons -> Edit Kommander-text, to see the script for each button. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Fri, 2006-08-25 at 00:23 +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag 24 august 2006 22:40 skrev LLLActive@GMX.Net:

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Each button executes a small script - sometimes just a single command, when the button is not grey anymore the script is done. Hopefully succesfully - but things can fail.

I noticed I must be patient and maybe try a few times to install them. The Packman, Guru and KDE repos are in the YaST "Install Sources" afterward, so do the Additional repos. Eventually the Multimedia playback etc Music and Video codecs (KDE) win32codec work OK. I'll try the other things over the next few days. Great scripts. :-) Al --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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