OpenSUSE is launched
Sorry for the short announcement. We have now launched openSUSE and released SUSE Linux 10.0 OSS Beta1 to the public. All ISOs and FTP trees have been synced out. The ISOs do not contain sources, they are only part of the FTP tree inside the "inst-source" directory. Please note that the OSS edition of SUSE Linux 10.0 do only contain open source software. Therefore java and depending packages are missing atm. This does also include OpenOffice.org for now. We do definitively not want to lock out the open source Java community, so we decided to offer these with an extra YaST installation source on our server ("inst-source-java" directory). OpenOffice.org does live there also. This package repository can be added in the YaST "Installation Source" manager as additionally source. General download instructions and mirrors can get found on this page http://opensuse.org/index.php/Download Have fun and keep in mind to read the "most annoying bugs" page before your download ;) http://opensuse.org/index.php/Bugs%3Amost_annoying_bugs Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi, On Wednesday 10 August 2005 07:33, Janne Karhunen wrote:
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 10:34, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Have fun and keep in mind to read the "most annoying bugs" page before your download ;)
Update from 9.3 working?
That's a joke, right? Who in their right mind would do an update to beta software unless they were applying it to a 9.3 installation that they were willing to sacrifice to for the purpose of evaluating and debugging the upgrade process itself? Updates are ill-advised enough from production release to production release. Introducing a beta into the mix is for masochists only.
-- // Janne
Randall Schulz
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 17:43, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Update from 9.3 working?
That's a joke, right?
Why? 9.3 and beta-10 shouldn't be that far off. Even Fedoras updates work these days (roughly, but anyway - and that's all i'm asking).
Who in their right mind would do an update to beta software unless they were applying it to a 9.3 installation that they were willing to sacrifice
I for one have such install. 9.3's kernel hasn't worked single day for me :/. 10.0 just might, based on the fact that i'm running same mainline kernel variant and that seems to be ~ok.
to for the purpose of evaluating and debugging the upgrade process itself?
That would be another reason, yes.
Updates are ill-advised enough from production release to production release. Introducing a beta into the mix is for masochists only.
No worries. No harm done if it breaks small things - would be an improvement if the kernel initializes without hanging :) That said, have to download it and try the kernel first. -- // Janne
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 10:33 am, Janne Karhunen wrote:
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 10:34, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Have fun and keep in mind to read the "most annoying bugs" page before your download ;)
Update from 9.3 working?
You DON'T want to do that.....10.0 is at this point Beta1, so if you have a stable system now, you DON'T want to screw it up - and you would! Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
Janne Karhunen wrote:
to for the purpose of evaluating and debugging the upgrade process itself?
That would be another reason, yes.
the only one :-) and, may be you will be the first to report the answer to opensuse.org :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
Janne Karhunen
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 10:34, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Have fun and keep in mind to read the "most annoying bugs" page before your download ;)
Update from 9.3 working?
It's a beta ;-). It worked for me on my system without any problems but whether it works for everybody is something our QA team is trying to figure out now ;-) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hello, I would like to OpenSUSE to consider the possiblity of use jigdo to download releases with a lot of save for servers and clients. I wrote a small comment in opensuse wiki I repeat here: We could use jigdo to download the ISO files with a lot few space used in mirrors and saving a lot of banwidth. In addition, OpenSuse could offer more formats (as DVD) with very few effort. This method has been used to reassemble the released double layer DVD for SuSE 9.3 into two single layer DVD. jigdo is used actively in distributions as Debian. You can read more about it at http://www.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo This time, OpenSUSE only should have to generate the 'jigdo' and 'template' files, with links to the ftp tree where to download the packages. Assume you have all the CD set of first beta. Then, 10 days later, a second beta is released. In this second beta only 10% of packages has changed. Why have you to download again all the isos, with 90% of repeated RPMS?. jigdo is here for help!. Basically, this is what we would have to do: 1) Download the jigdo and template files. Tipically few MB for a CD/DVD iso. 2) Mount the old version CD or DVD. To mount the ISO files are even better 3) jigdo-lite script will reuse all the needed contain from old media and will download the new files from ftp server, creating the new isos :) As result: A) The mirrors don't have to allocate all the possible set of CD/DVD isos, only the ftp tree with individual packages, and small jigdo files. B) The server save a lot of banwidth C) The clients save a lot of download time. It is interesting for most users with narrow bandwidth. Guillermo El Miércoles, 10 de Agosto de 2005 09:34, Andreas Jaeger escribió:
Sorry for the short announcement.
We have now launched openSUSE and released SUSE Linux 10.0 OSS Beta1 to the public.
All ISOs and FTP trees have been synced out. The ISOs do not contain sources, they are only part of the FTP tree inside the "inst-source" directory.
Please note that the OSS edition of SUSE Linux 10.0 do only contain open source software. Therefore java and depending packages are missing atm. This does also include OpenOffice.org for now. We do definitively not want to lock out the open source Java community, so we decided to offer these with an extra YaST installation source on our server ("inst-source-java" directory). OpenOffice.org does live there also. This package repository can be added in the YaST "Installation Source" manager as additionally source.
General download instructions and mirrors can get found on this page
http://opensuse.org/index.php/Download
Have fun and keep in mind to read the "most annoying bugs" page before your download ;)
http://opensuse.org/index.php/Bugs%3Amost_annoying_bugs
Andreas
-- Guillermo Ballester Valor gbv@oxixares.com Ogijares, Granada SPAIN Linux user #117181. See http://counter.li.org/ Public GPG KEY http://www.oxixares.com/~gbv/pubgpg.html
Guillermo Ballester Valor wrote:
Hello,
I would like to OpenSUSE to consider the possiblity of use jigdo to download releases with a lot of save for servers and clients. I wrote a small comment
seems to me a very good idea. may you should repeat it on opensuse list? (I can do if you prefere) (opensuse@opensuse.org) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
Guillermo Ballester Valor
Hello,
I would like to OpenSUSE to consider the possiblity of use jigdo to download releases with a lot of save for servers and clients. I wrote a small comment in opensuse wiki I repeat here:
We could use jigdo to download the ISO files with a lot few space used in mirrors and saving a lot of banwidth. In addition, OpenSuse could offer more formats (as DVD) with very few effort. This method has been used to reassemble the released double layer DVD for SuSE 9.3 into two single layer DVD. jigdo is used actively in distributions as Debian.
You can read more about it at
http://www.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo
This time, OpenSUSE only should have to generate the 'jigdo' and 'template' files, with links to the ftp tree where to download the packages.
Assume you have all the CD set of first beta. Then, 10 days later, a second beta is released. In this second beta only 10% of packages has changed. Why have you to download again all the isos, with 90% of repeated RPMS?. jigdo is here for help!. Basically, this is what we would have to do:
We're using delta ISOs - that's a delta between two ISOs. Since we updated GCC after Beta1, we will recompile all packages with the new GCC and this means all packages will be different. In general I agree, jigdo is something we should work on together. Please discuss on the opensuse mailing list, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
El Jueves, 11 de Agosto de 2005 11:05, Andreas Jaeger escribió:
Please discuss on the opensuse mailing list,
Andreas
Ok, I've subscribed and I'll resend the mail to opensuse list ;) Guillermo -- Guillermo Ballester Valor gbv@oxixares.com Ogijares, Granada SPAIN Linux user #117181. See http://counter.li.org/ Public GPG KEY http://www.oxixares.com/~gbv/pubgpg.html
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 09:16 +0200, Guillermo Ballester Valor wrote:
Hello,
I would like to OpenSUSE to consider the possiblity of use jigdo to download releases with a lot of save for servers and clients. I wrote a small comment in opensuse wiki I repeat here:
You need to join the opensuse email list and post it there. I think there is an effort to keep opensuse off of this list. YMMV.
We could use jigdo to download the ISO files with a lot few space used in mirrors and saving a lot of banwidth. In addition, OpenSuse could offer more formats (as DVD) with very few effort. This method has been used to reassemble the released double layer DVD for SuSE 9.3 into two single layer DVD. jigdo is used actively in distributions as Debian.
You can read more about it at
http://www.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Remastering_dvd_with_jigdo
This time, OpenSUSE only should have to generate the 'jigdo' and 'template' files, with links to the ftp tree where to download the packages.
Assume you have all the CD set of first beta. Then, 10 days later, a second beta is released. In this second beta only 10% of packages has changed. Why have you to download again all the isos, with 90% of repeated RPMS?. jigdo is here for help!. Basically, this is what we would have to do:
1) Download the jigdo and template files. Tipically few MB for a CD/DVD iso. 2) Mount the old version CD or DVD. To mount the ISO files are even better 3) jigdo-lite script will reuse all the needed contain from old media and will download the new files from ftp server, creating the new isos :)
As result:
A) The mirrors don't have to allocate all the possible set of CD/DVD isos, only the ftp tree with individual packages, and small jigdo files. B) The server save a lot of banwidth C) The clients save a lot of download time. It is interesting for most users with narrow bandwidth.
Guillermo
El Miércoles, 10 de Agosto de 2005 09:34, Andreas Jaeger escribió:
Sorry for the short announcement.
We have now launched openSUSE and released SUSE Linux 10.0 OSS Beta1 to the public.
All ISOs and FTP trees have been synced out. The ISOs do not contain sources, they are only part of the FTP tree inside the "inst-source" directory.
Please note that the OSS edition of SUSE Linux 10.0 do only contain open source software. Therefore java and depending packages are missing atm. This does also include OpenOffice.org for now. We do definitively not want to lock out the open source Java community, so we decided to offer these with an extra YaST installation source on our server ("inst-source-java" directory). OpenOffice.org does live there also. This package repository can be added in the YaST "Installation Source" manager as additionally source.
General download instructions and mirrors can get found on this page
http://opensuse.org/index.php/Download
Have fun and keep in mind to read the "most annoying bugs" page before your download ;)
http://opensuse.org/index.php/Bugs%3Amost_annoying_bugs
Andreas
-- Guillermo Ballester Valor gbv@oxixares.com Ogijares, Granada SPAIN Linux user #117181. See http://counter.li.org/ Public GPG KEY http://www.oxixares.com/~gbv/pubgpg.html
-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 1:59 pm, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Update from 9.3 working?
It's a beta ;-).
It worked for me on my system without any problems but whether it works for everybody is something our QA team is trying to figure out now ;-)
Andreas, how bout xine......that is, I presently don't have DRM crap problems. Are there 10.0 files I can get to get around the problem or will the compiled 9.3 files work? I hate to upgrade this box just yet, as it's a production system. Thanks, Fred -- Planet Earth - a subsidiary of Microsoft. We have no bugs in our software, Never! We do have undocumented added features, that you will find amusing, at no added cost to you, at this time.
"Fred A. Miller"
On Wednesday 10 August 2005 1:59 pm, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Update from 9.3 working?
It's a beta ;-).
It worked for me on my system without any problems but whether it works for everybody is something our QA team is trying to figure out now ;-)
Andreas, how bout xine......that is, I presently don't have DRM crap problems. Are there 10.0 files I can get to get around the problem or will the compiled 9.3 files work? I hate to upgrade this box just yet, as it's a production
9.3 should work.
system.
I will not advise you to install a beta on a production system. It works stable for me and quite lots of others but it has it's quirks so do a test installation first and then decide whether you want to risk it... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 07:02 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 09:16 +0200, Guillermo Ballester Valor wrote:
Hello,
I would like to OpenSUSE to consider the possiblity of use jigdo to download releases with a lot of save for servers and clients. I wrote a small comment in opensuse wiki I repeat here:
You need to join the opensuse email list and post it there. I think there is an effort to keep opensuse off of this list. YMMV.
{snip} I hope opensuse will be it's own list. The amount of added traffic to this list, which is high volume already, would make it hard to keep up with. Mike and his .017 cents worth (2 cents less GST)
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 18:30 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 07:02 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 09:16 +0200, Guillermo Ballester Valor wrote:
Hello,
I would like to OpenSUSE to consider the possiblity of use jigdo to download releases with a lot of save for servers and clients. I wrote a small comment in opensuse wiki I repeat here:
You need to join the opensuse email list and post it there. I think there is an effort to keep opensuse off of this list. YMMV.
{snip}
I hope opensuse will be it's own list. The amount of added traffic to this list, which is high volume already, would make it hard to keep up with.
Mike and his .017 cents worth (2 cents less GST)
OpenSUSE does have it's own list. And it was busy today, even more so than this list. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
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