They're out on the SuSE ftp server. I already have mine. Sorry the mystical_rightturn.jpg is not included. It really is cool! Well, so is the rest of the KDE3. I suspect SuSE's ftp servre may be rather busy soon. Macht Spaß, Steven
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 09:18:52AM -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote: -> They're out on the SuSE ftp server. I already have mine. I do too, but haven't installed them yet. I thought it strange there wasn't a README file explaining how to install them and run them concurrentlhy with 2.2.2 without screwing up the 2.2.2 installation. I'm a little nervous about kde beta stuff and don't want to install it unless I can preserve my existing setup that's working so well. Michael -- "# chmod a+x /bin/laden" Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA
At 07:33 AM 2/16/2002 -0800, you wrote:
I do too, but haven't installed them yet. I thought it strange there wasn't a README file explaining how to install them
To install something as large as KDE you would go read KDE docs - it should not be expected of SuSE to take time writing documentation on something they are only packaging and is experimental at that. The very fact that it's experimental means it's only for Power users who don't need the docs -- if you don't even know how to install it you shouldn't be installing it.
and run them concurrentlhy with 2.2.2 without screwing up the 2.2.2 installation.
It does not screw up your 2.2 installation. That fact that you don't know this again shows that you probably shouldn't be experimenting with non-stable stuff. After all, beta software always comes with the "Don't use this, or Use this at your own risk, it may swallow your computer whole -- you have been warned" string.
I'm a little nervous about kde beta stuff and don't want to install it unless I can preserve my existing setup that's working so well.
Your nervousness is further proof that you simply need to wait for the first version of SuSE that have KDE 3.0 final on the CD. There is probably nothing you really need in 3.0-beta2 that you don't have in 2.2.2 ---------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 11:04:37AM -0600, JW wrote: -> To install something as large as KDE you would go read KDE docs - it -> should not be expected of SuSE to take time writing documentation on -> something they are only packaging and is experimental at that. They do it with other stuff like mozilla and the kernels. -> The very fact that it's experimental means it's only for Power users who -> don't need the docs -- if you don't even know how to install it you -> shouldn't be installing it. Listen, Mister Power User. I have been running Linux since 0.9.something. I've compiled the whole thing from scratch. I've compiled and installed KDE many times from source. I earn my living doing third level backline tech support at a large commercial UNIX vendor. You're jumping to some pretty far-fetched conclusions here. In all my years of UNIX experience, one thing I've learned is that if I have a system that is functioning perfectly, don't install undocumented unknown stuff that might fuck it up beyond usability. So get off your sanctimonious high horse. I was pointing out the lack of documentation not so much because *I* need it, but because KDE3 needs people to thrash it out before release, and the total lack of even a simple README file will keep a lot of people from installing it and testing it, and that will be to the detriment of KDE3's stability upon release. Oh, and one other thing: "Bite Me". Michael -- "# chmod a+x /bin/laden" Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA
MN >On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 11:04:37AM -0600, JW wrote: MN >Listen, Mister Power User. I have been running Linux since 0.9.something. MN >I've compiled the whole thing from scratch. I've compiled and installed KDE MN >many times from source. And you're scared to install RPMs? I don't think so, mister. That's too contradictory to be believable. If it's true you are one unique person. MN >I earn my living doing third level backline tech MN >support at a large commercial UNIX vendor. If true: Good for you. Otherwise: That's doubtful. MN > You're jumping to some pretty MN >far-fetched conclusions here. Nope. What I said is true. MN > MN >In all my years of UNIX experience, one thing I've learned is that if I have MN >a system that is functioning perfectly, don't install undocumented unknown MN >stuff that might fuck it up beyond usability. Good. If you know that then why are you installing KDE3? MN > MN >So get off your sanctimonious high horse. That is rude, and I feel neither sanctimonious nor high, no condescending, nor "better-then-you". I also don't ride my horse inside, thank you very much. MN > I was pointing out the lack of MN >documentation not so much because *I* need it, but because KDE3 needs people MN >to thrash it out before release, "KDE3" (more specifically, the developers who work on it) needs users who know what they're doing and can submit sensible bug reports, not "I installed KDE and it won't start & I can't get back into gnome or the older KDE version, what do I do!" nonsense. Thus, all the better if newbies can't figure out how to install the betas. MN >and the total lack of even a simple README MN >file will keep a lot of people from installing it and testing it, Only the people who don't really need to test it anyway. MN > and that MN >will be to the detriment of KDE3's stability upon release. Cutting down on useless bug reports will certainly not be detrimental to the developer's valuable time. The people who will give valuable feedback will have no issues at all with the lack of a README. And if you really think there needs to be one, complain to feedback@suse.de about that. MN > MN >Oh, and one other thing: "Bite Me". *chomp* Cool off, man. No hard feelings were intended and I wasn't trying to put you down. Simply stating the facts. -- ------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com
Alright, it's a pity that this threat ended so angry. None the less let me jump in. I installed kde3 via the rpm's after examining their contents using rpm -qpl *rpm, rpm -qp --scripts *rpm and using rpm -Uvh --test *rpm. An additional test with apt tells me that kfontinst should be removed. Though I left it installed. The problem I have now is that I can't select kde3 via kdm while I added the session "kde3" via the login manager. I see that this session has been added to kdmrc, but it ain't there. So a I did the following: - init 3 - login as user on the console - set WINDOWMANAGER=/usr/X11R6/bin/kde3 - startx and whalla there is kde3. However, I want it to select kde3 from kdm (the same is valid for gnome-session, as I can't select that either probably because of the same reason). What do others using kde3 e.g. have in their /etc/kderc file for the config directories? A second problem seems that kicker is too small for the screen, when it is being resized to hidden and back to viziable, it gets the right size but the items on it are not shown... When logging back in there are back in. Did someone else sees this as well? This first experience felt right though, kmail looks good, konqueror seems quciker. Kicker is very very much configurable. Op zaterdag 16 februari 2002 18:04, schreef JW:
At 07:33 AM 2/16/2002 -0800, you wrote:
I do too, but haven't installed them yet. I thought it strange there wasn't a README file explaining how to install them
-- Richard Bos For those without home the journey is endless
RB >additional test with apt tells me that kfontinst should be removed. With apt? What do you mean by that? -- ------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com
Op zaterdag 16 februari 2002 21:51, schreef JW:
RB >additional test with apt tells me that kfontinst should be removed.
With apt? What do you mean by that?
The superb debian installer that has been ported to rpm. For more info refer to: http://apt4rpm.sf.net (in this particular case it means that the package dependencies or not perfectly correct. As the kfont rpm of kde2 can coexist next to the kdebase3 (kfontinstall is in kde3 part of kdebase)) -- Richard Bos For those without home the journey is endless
On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, JW wrote:
additional test with apt tells me that kfontinst should be removed. With apt? What do you mean by that?
~ "apt" is cool tool . . . Debian package management best wishes ____________ sent on Linux ____________
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