Suse 7.0 - frustrations
Hi all , I've been seeing a lot of praise for Suse Linux on this list and I thought I'll present my dissenting opinion. I recently bought Suse Linux 7.0 Professional to install on our Dell system. I wanted to run IMP (Web based email) on this server to provide access to all of our employeess access to email (both web based and via imap). The installation itself was flawless (kudos to the team) but it is after that I ran into problems. I tried to install the IMP from rpms and ran into tons of unresolved dependencies. I then tried to download the source rpms and tried to install everything but that ran into problems too. I was basically looking for - Postfix + IMAP + Postgres + IMP . I didn't have any problems with the first 3 but the last one gave me ulcers. In frustration, I installed RH 7.0 and everything was up and running in no time. Suse is good with stability, installation and configuration but it is the lack of rpms that creates problems. BTW, if anyone can recommend a good Web-based email (like IMP) for SuSe, I'll be more than happy to revisit this distribution. For the moment , I use a combination of RH7.X, Suse 6.x (firewall) on our network. -- Hiren -- -------------------------------------------------------- It is not the speaker who controls communication, but the listener.
If those rpm's happened to be made on RH 7x then they are very likely to be only compatible with that system due to their foolish installation of GCC 2.96... Have you tried e-mailing the author of the software? He maybe able to help...even if its not made on RH 7X he still maybe able to help. Matt On Tuesday 27 February 2001 07:13 pm, Hirendra Hindocha wrote:
Hi all ,
I've been seeing a lot of praise for Suse Linux on this list and I thought I'll present my dissenting opinion. I recently bought Suse Linux 7.0 Professional to install on our Dell system. I wanted to run IMP (Web based email) on this server to provide access to all of our employeess access to email (both web based and via imap). The installation itself was flawless (kudos to the team) but it is after that I ran into problems. I tried to install the IMP from rpms and ran into tons of unresolved dependencies. I then tried to download the source rpms and tried to install everything but that ran into problems too. I was basically looking for - Postfix + IMAP + Postgres + IMP . I didn't have any problems with the first 3 but the last one gave me ulcers. In frustration, I installed RH 7.0 and everything was up and running in no time.
Suse is good with stability, installation and configuration but it is the lack of rpms that creates problems.
BTW, if anyone can recommend a good Web-based email (like IMP) for SuSe, I'll be more than happy to revisit this distribution. For the moment , I use a combination of RH7.X, Suse 6.x (firewall) on our network.
Hirendra Hindocha wrote:
BTW, if anyone can recommend a good Web-based email (like IMP) for SuSe, I'll be more than happy to revisit this distribution. For the moment , I use a combination of RH7.X, Suse 6.x (firewall) on our network.
deinstall apache and install packages "roxen" and "imho" At oracle hq where they have only imap-email I got it up and running in 10 minutes (until I could really work with my email). And, roxen and it's modules are 100% web-configurable, in a great interface. I love that webserver...
Hirendra Hindocha wrote:
first 3 but the last one gave me ulcers. In frustration, I installed RH 7.0 and everything was up and running in no time.
I'd like to point out that packages made on RH 7.0 ONLY run on RH7.0. This is one of the reasons oracle never bothered to support it... Do you think that's a feature rather than a bug?! They use a beta-compiler of which even the gcc team says it's never going to be an official release, but merely a beta-stepping stone on the way to gcc 3.0, which will be the enxt official release.
The beta compiler is GCC 2.96 and will not even be compatible with the aimed release of 3.0. I am already having some problems even with src rpms sometimes too, just as you did. Linus himself went as far as to call this decision to include GCC 2.96 as idiotic... Matt On Tuesday 27 February 2001 07:26 pm, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
Hirendra Hindocha wrote:
first 3 but the last one gave me ulcers. In frustration, I installed RH 7.0 and everything was up and running in no time.
I'd like to point out that packages made on RH 7.0 ONLY run on RH7.0. This is one of the reasons oracle never bothered to support it... Do you think that's a feature rather than a bug?! They use a beta-compiler of which even the gcc team says it's never going to be an official release, but merely a beta-stepping stone on the way to gcc 3.0, which will be the enxt official release.
On Tuesday 27 February 2001 22:13, Hirendra Hindocha wrote:
Hi all ,
I've been seeing a lot of praise for Suse Linux on this list and I thought I'll present my dissenting opinion. I recently bought Suse Linux 7.0 Professional to install on our Dell system. I wanted to run IMP (Web based email) on this server to provide access to all of our employeess access to email (both web based and via imap). The installation itself was flawless (kudos to the team) but it is after that I ran into problems. I tried to install the IMP from rpms and ran into tons of unresolved dependencies. I then tried to download the source rpms and tried to install everything but that ran into problems too. I was basically looking for - Postfix + IMAP + Postgres + IMP . I didn't have any problems with the first 3 but the last one gave me ulcers. In frustration, I installed RH 7.0 and everything was up and running in no time.
Suse is good with stability, installation and configuration but it is the lack of rpms that creates problems.
BTW, if anyone can recommend a good Web-based email (like IMP) for SuSe, I'll be more than happy to revisit this distribution. For the moment , I use a combination of RH7.X, Suse 6.x (firewall) on our network.
Hiren, I don't know the solution to your problem, but did you attempt to contact SuSE's support? I don't even know if they give support for that kind of issue with the "installation" support. I would hope they would. As far as dependencies go. I've seen a few instances where there is no way to get things installed without breaking dependencies. That bothers me a lot. I don't believe this is unique to SuSE. I've been thinking about how nice a dependency graphing tool would be. Something that could show all the dependencies associated with a given package and could be expanded to any depth. Perhaps it would be useless, but I'd love to see an attempt to produce something such as this. You raise a good issue. I do like SuSE, and I think 7.1 is a very positive step in the right direction to get a better handle on all of these configuration issues. The complexity involved in these systems is mind boggling. I believe there is probably a good OO paradigm that could help alleviate some of these type of collisions which all of us hate. I've been kicking around some ideas along these lines. In my vision, each application would be treated as an object with public, private, and protected members. different components of the system would deal with configuration by passing messages to methods. I've a lot to say on the issue, and hope to find some time to write this up in a formal way. Right now I need sleep. Steve
There is one new web base imap server you should take a look at, but it is
not in RPM format I am afraid. Take a look at http://www.silkymail.com.
I just downloaded it but it seems to be very nice. Cyrusoft just released
it under the GPL.
Avi
--On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 07:13:33 PM -0800 Hirendra Hindocha
Hi all ,
I've been seeing a lot of praise for Suse Linux on this list and I thought I'll present my dissenting opinion. I recently bought Suse Linux 7.0 Professional to install on our Dell system. I wanted to run IMP (Web based email) on this server to provide access to all of our employeess access to email (both web based and via imap). The installation itself was flawless (kudos to the team) but it is after that I ran into problems. I tried to install the IMP from rpms and ran into tons of unresolved dependencies. I then tried to download the source rpms and tried to install everything but that ran into problems too. I was basically looking for - Postfix + IMAP + Postgres + IMP . I didn't have any problems with the first 3 but the last one gave me ulcers. In frustration, I installed RH 7.0 and everything was up and running in no time.
Suse is good with stability, installation and configuration but it is the lack of rpms that creates problems.
BTW, if anyone can recommend a good Web-based email (like IMP) for SuSe, I'll be more than happy to revisit this distribution. For the moment , I use a combination of RH7.X, Suse 6.x (firewall) on our network. -- Hiren -- -------------------------------------------------------- It is not the speaker who controls communication, but the listener.
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Avi Schwartz
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Hirendra Hindocha
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Matthew
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Michael Hasenstein
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Steven T. Hatton