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Zhang Weiwu

26 Jan 2007 26 Jan '07

08:57

I belive this has wasted many many (or perhaps thousands) people's hours and hours on figuring this out. How to play MP3 at all (with any gstreamer player: Rhythmbox, Banshee, BMP, XMMS .... )? I knew mp3 is not opensource, but SUSE PAIED TO LET USE USE for-fee software before (SUSE paied to let Chinese SuSE use founder software's for-fee Chinese fonts), why not just do it again, as mp3 license is not expensive (as last time I read some article about it). I don't understand, why suse is removing all these IMPORTANT non-opensource components step-by-step? (e.g. recent SuSE 10.2 removed Founder's commercial Chinese font collection when they were there in SuSE 10.1, these commercial Chinese fonts are very important for desktop office use. SuSE removed default mp3 support since 9.3 etc). I googled one hour only to find these options to let SuSE play mp3, none of them work for me: 1. recompile gstreamer which was supporting mp3 but removed mp3 support in SuSE. Not an option to me. I am NOT a compiler refugee, I can compile things; but I don't think as SuSE user I am required to know how to compile a package. Especially me personally only use realplay to play mp3, it's the users I recommend to use SuSE ASK me how to play mp3 using any music management tool (rhymbox/banshee) and I cannot recommend my USERS to do some compile, as they are not CS department students or professionals but only ordinary users. 2. install gstreamer-mad and gstreamer-extra-mad: I cannot find any rpm with that name for SuSE 10.2 3. install gstreamer-ugly. I DO have installed it, but doesn't help. Rthymbox still don't play MP3 ("codec for mp3 not found"), neither can Banshee play them. 4. download gstreamer package which supports mp3 from some SuSE 9.3 rpm repository: I wish to try it but couldn't find it. How much money does it require to buy a license for enable mp3 support in SuSE? I want to pay my share to get it done. I just cannot stand it, I am getting mad of it! why is it so damned difficult to play mp3 (for NORMAL user with a MUSIC MANAGEMENT software). If someone calls a user-sponsered license for enabling mp3 in gstreamer I'll pay my share! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Dominique Leuenberger

26 Jan 26 Jan

09:03

New subject: [opensuse] just don't get it: is it SOOO difficult to play mp3? (worked an hour on it)

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On 26-01-2007 at 10:57, Zhang Weiwu wrote: I belive this has wasted many many (or perhaps thousands) people's hours and hours on figuring this out. How to play MP3 at all (with any gstreamer player: Rhythmbox, Banshee, BMP, XMMS .... )?

I knew mp3 is not opensource, but SUSE PAIED TO LET USE USE for-fee software before (SUSE paied to let Chinese SuSE use founder software's for-fee Chinese fonts), why not just do it again, as mp3 license is not expensive (as last time I read some article about it). I don't understand, why suse is removing all these IMPORTANT non-opensource components step-by-step? (e.g. recent SuSE 10.2 removed Founder's commercial Chinese font collection when they were there in SuSE 10.1, these commercial Chinese fonts are very important for desktop office use. SuSE removed default mp3 support since 9.3 etc). How much money does it require to buy a license for enable mp3 support in SuSE? I want to pay my share to get it done. I just cannot stand it, I am getting mad of it! why is it so damned difficult to play mp3 (for NORMAL user with a MUSIC MANAGEMENT software). If someone calls a user-sponsered license for enabling mp3 in gstreamer I'll pay my share!

For GStreamer you might be interested in the 'commercial' plugin by fluendo http://www.fluendo.com/press/releases/PR-2007-01.html That works qiuet well. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

09:42

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On Thursday 25 January 2007 23:57, Zhang Weiwu wrote:

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why not just do it again, as mp3 license is not expensive (as last time I read some article about it). I don't understand, why suse is removing all these IMPORTANT non-opensource components step-by-step?

Yes, especially when the patent holders of mp3 state CLEARLY on their web page that no license is need for free software users. So anyone who downloads suse can freely use mp3 software without a license. They couldn't put it in the boxed set, but they could make it available free from ftp on the first update the way the old SuSE used to do. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Russell Jones

09:42

I'm a bit confused by your request, and suggest you read "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The place you should have started is not here, but the default home page, http://www.opensuse.org/ . If you search for "mp3", the seventh item or so has the text "HOWTO enable MP3 support" which takes you here, ultimately: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Xenmaster#MP3_support_for_XMMS You could have done that. However, I think you'll find it simpler to just add the VLC repository: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#VLC_VideoLan_Cli... If you get stuck, follow the guidelines in the first link (to catb.org): they may guide you back here under certain circumstances. Russell Jones -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

09:48

On Friday 26 January 2007 00:42, Russell Jones wrote:

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You could have done that.

However, I think you'll find it simpler to just add the VLC repository: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#VLC_VideoLan_Cli...

How would that fix xmms and friends? VLC seems a tad heavyweight jut to play an mp3. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

Billie Erin Walsh

12:02

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John Andersen wrote:

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On Friday 26 January 2007 00:42, Russell Jones wrote:

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You could have done that.

However, I think you'll find it simpler to just add the VLC repository: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#VLC_VideoLan_Cli...

How would that fix xmms and friends? VLC seems a tad heavyweight jut to play an mp3.

I must be missing something here. I installed "lame" and play MP3's. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

19:28

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On Friday 26 January 2007 03:02, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

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John Andersen wrote:

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On Friday 26 January 2007 00:42, Russell Jones wrote:

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You could have done that.

However, I think you'll find it simpler to just add the VLC repository: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#VLC_VideoLan_Cli...

How would that fix xmms and friends? VLC seems a tad heavyweight jut to play an mp3.

I must be missing something here. I installed "lame" and play MP3's.

But lame is used to CREATE mp3 files, why would you need that to PLAY mp3s? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Alexey Eremenko

22:38

New subject: [opensuse] just don't get it: is it SOOO difficult to play mp3? (worked an hour on it)

AFAIK: you can play mp3's on default SUSE installs by means of Real Media Player 10. (for total newbies) If you don't like this, you can download the proper codecs from Pacman repository. (for newbies, that can get some support from Linuxoids) SUSEhelp> For multimedia and other restricted format (MP3,Encrypted DVD, DiVX,etc) issues, see http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats -Alexey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Zhang Weiwu

28 Jan 28 Jan

01:54

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在 2007-01-27六的 00:38 +0200，Alexey Eremenko写道：

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AFAIK: you can play mp3's on default SUSE installs by means of Real Media Player 10. (for total newbies)

If you don't like this, you can download the proper codecs from Pacman repository. (for newbies, that can get some support from Linuxoids)

SUSEhelp> For multimedia and other restricted format (MP3,Encrypted DVD, DiVX,etc) issues, see http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats

-Alexey

OOps. Thanks. Now this seems to have provided most valuable information: on that webpage it's stated very clearly banshee can support mp3 (though rhythmbox solution maybe still need to google around a bit) by installing helix-banshee rpm package helix-banshee rpm is not in official SuSE 10.2 repository, I also tried packman and searched SuSE guru (by SuSE guru web inteface, so might have missed). Finally I was able to find helix-banshee package from here: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-Factory-non-oss/inst-source-ext... (I am not sure if I am downloaded the right version because the URI doesn't indicate which version of SuSE this rpm is for). Finding helix-banshee conflicts with banshee, I removed banshee package and replaced it with helix-banshee. Result: now banshee can recognize mp3 format and import them properly, but plaing mp3 doesn't work: no error message at all, no sound, simply clicking on 'play' have no effect, music play progress does not grow. (meanwhile, MPlayer can play mp3 just fine). I think if I have gong this far, digging further into all sound config options might finally get hexlix-banshee play something. Need time. Will post result when I can find a clue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Zhang Weiwu

26 Jan 26 Jan

10:10

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在 2007-01-26五的 09:42 +0000，Russell Jones写道：

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I'm a bit confused by your request, and suggest you read "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

I knew very well this article and I am very glad that I have read this article when I first started to use Linux. My first OS is FreeBSD when I used it for two years without touching graphical user interface and later switched to Gentoo Linux, later swithed to SuSE. I used to compile everything myself. In the begining I hack, and I knew I was supposed to fingure out issues, not rely on other people or hope every answer is just an URI away. But later I started to suggest other people use Linux, by 'other people' I don't mean my college who worked as php programmer 3 years. I mean my mama, my old friends in college, my friends who run a coffee shop, my friend who is a college teacher of art etc. Why I want Linux to be used by normal people? Maybe someone think I am stupid, Linux is by the hackers, for the hackers, of the hackers, they are not for ordinary people. Well I won't explain why I want to suggest ordinary people to use Linux, it's very long topic. But the fact is, as I start to support ORDNIARY users I found the world changed, in the real world, peopple are no longer blamed for not being able to use a software and not able to ask smartly how to use it; people just turn a way if it's not easy to use. They vote by foot, they vote by paying for Windows. By saying 'people' I don't mean hackers like you and I. So, I chose the easiest-to-learn Linux distribution: SuSE and ubuntu. These distrubtions don't expect users to be hackers. For ordinary users, a solution must be easy, a few clicks away. If the answer to "how can I play mp3 with any music managing softare on SuSE" is not a few clicks away, people turns away from it (again, these people are not hackers), and thus I have to turn away from it too because I already made up my mine that I want to support 'oridnary people', or 'stupid people' by common sense. Take Ubuntu as example, I didn't type one single command to let user start to enjoy Rhythmbox. I just click. So why should I recommend SuSE over Ubuntu next time to an ORDINARY person?

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The place you should have started is not here, but the default home page, http://www.opensuse.org/ . If you search for "mp3", the seventh item or so has the text "HOWTO enable MP3 support" which takes you here, ultimately: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Xenmaster#MP3_support_for_XMMS

You could have done that.

However, I think you'll find it simpler to just add the VLC repository: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#VLC_VideoLan_Cli...

If you get stuck, follow the guidelines in the first link (to catb.org): they may guide you back here under certain circumstances.

Please just believe me I can follow this guide. You know the context I ask my question, I wish to know if there is a way for ordinary users to start enjoy music with a music managing software. I actually am thankful you bring up this topic of how to ask good questions, because I want more people pay attention on what I am doing and what people like me doing: to help spread Linux to non-techies. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Zhang Weiwu

10:19

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在 2007-01-26五的 18:11 +0800，Zhang Weiwu写道：

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ask smartly how to use it; people just turn a way if it's not easy to

correct: a way => away (a real hacke says 's/a way/away/')

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use. They vote by foot, they vote by paying for Windows. By saying 'people' I don't mean hackers like you and I.

Yes I knew Windows doesn't play mp3 by default either, but a solution is truely a few clicks away: they can download iTunes or another hundred brands of music managing software from the Internet and all of them plays mp3, a lot of them are for free. For SuSE: even there are music managing software, and they are avaialbe, and they are installed, a solution to use them to play mp3 is still not a few clicks away. How can we imporve this? Can we do something to make the situation better? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hans van der Merwe

10:51

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On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 16:57 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote:

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I belive this has wasted many many (or perhaps thousands) people's hours and hours on figuring this out. How to play MP3 at all (with any gstreamer player: Rhythmbox, Banshee, BMP, XMMS .... )?

I knew mp3 is not opensource, but SUSE PAIED TO LET USE USE for-fee software before (SUSE paied to let Chinese SuSE use founder software's for-fee Chinese fonts), why not just do it again, as mp3 license is not expensive (as last time I read some article about it). I don't understand, why suse is removing all these IMPORTANT non-opensource components step-by-step? (e.g. recent SuSE 10.2 removed Founder's commercial Chinese font collection when they were there in SuSE 10.1, these commercial Chinese fonts are very important for desktop office use. SuSE removed default mp3 support since 9.3 etc).

I googled one hour only to find these options to let SuSE play mp3, none of them work for me:

1. recompile gstreamer which was supporting mp3 but removed mp3 support in SuSE. Not an option to me. I am NOT a compiler refugee, I can compile things; but I don't think as SuSE user I am required to know how to compile a package. Especially me personally only use realplay to play mp3, it's the users I recommend to use SuSE ASK me how to play mp3 using any music management tool (rhymbox/banshee) and I cannot recommend my USERS to do some compile, as they are not CS department students or professionals but only ordinary users. 2. install gstreamer-mad and gstreamer-extra-mad: I cannot find any rpm with that name for SuSE 10.2 3. install gstreamer-ugly. I DO have installed it, but doesn't help. Rthymbox still don't play MP3 ("codec for mp3 not found"), neither can Banshee play them. 4. download gstreamer package which supports mp3 from some SuSE 9.3 rpm repository: I wish to try it but couldn't find it.

How much money does it require to buy a license for enable mp3 support in SuSE? I want to pay my share to get it done. I just cannot stand it, I am getting mad of it! why is it so damned difficult to play mp3 (for NORMAL user with a MUSIC MANAGEMENT software). If someone calls a user-sponsered license for enabling mp3 in gstreamer I'll pay my share!

I'm not sure about the history of this post and I do not use gstreamer (that I know of). But all I did to get mp3 and other codecs to work in Amarok, mplayer etc was to install libxine1 from Packman. Took me one Google search and the time to add Packman to SmartPackageManager (can use Yast,Zypp,wahatever as well) But yes, I agree, get the license issue sorted for openSUSE! ps What does other distros do? Ubuntu, Fedora? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

12:35

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I'm not sure about the history of this post and I do not use gstreamer (that I know of). But all I did to get mp3 and other codecs to work in Amarok, mplayer etc was to install libxine1 from Packman. Took me one Google search and the time to add Packman to SmartPackageManager (can use Yast,Zypp,wahatever as well)

But yes, I agree, get the license issue sorted for openSUSE!

ps What does other distros do? Ubuntu, Fedora?

In Kubuntu, when you start up Amarok and attempt to play an MP3 you get a popup that says that you need to install an additional file to enable MP3 playback. You are given the option inside that popup to install the extras, or to cancel and leave things as they are... if you tell it to install it asks for your sudo password, downloads and installs everything you need from the repositories and you're done.. you can play MP3s. As an end user you don't have to concern yourself with what you need, it's just resolved automatically when you attempt to play an MP3 for the first time. No futzing about with finding out what repository to use... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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