[opensuse] Stupid Updater and Stupid Installer - IMHO
The official name is "Smart" but they definitely aren't "smart". Stupid Updater says I have six (6) updates available. Click on the "install". Asks for root password. Goes through five minutes of gyrations. Says there are no available updates. IF there are no updates available why did it say there were six? OpenSuSE Updater is a much more reliable program AND simpler to work. Stupid Installer probably has the very worst user interface I have ever seen on any program. Even Microsoft doesn't do anything that stupid. Yast is FAR AND AWAY superior in almost every way possible. More intuitive. More friendly. AND best of all, it just simply works. With YAST and YOU to even contemplate something like "Smart" is ridiculous. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
The official name is "Smart" but they definitely aren't "smart".
Stupid Updater says I have six (6) updates available. Click on the "install". Asks for root password. Goes through five minutes of gyrations. Says there are no available updates. IF there are no updates available why did it say there were six? OpenSuSE Updater is a much more reliable program AND simpler to work.
Stupid Installer probably has the very worst user interface I have ever seen on any program. Even Microsoft doesn't do anything that stupid. Yast is FAR AND AWAY superior in almost every way possible. More intuitive. More friendly. AND best of all, it just simply works.
With YAST and YOU to even contemplate something like "Smart" is ridiculous.
In all fairness, the yast software management in 10.1 was such a mess that frustrated long time SuSE users were turning to smart in droves. Whatever limitations smart had, it worked far more effectively than YOU did at the time. Now that we've replaced that silly zmd thing with zypper in 10.2, we're happy again, and haven't needed any additional software maintenance tools. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, June 22, 2007 3:26 pm, Sloan wrote:
With YAST and YOU to even contemplate something like "Smart" is ridiculous.
In all fairness, the yast software management in 10.1 was such a mess that frustrated long time SuSE users were turning to smart in droves. Whatever limitations smart had, it worked far more effectively than YOU did at the time. Now that we've replaced that silly zmd thing with zypper in 10.2, we're happy again, and haven't needed any additional software maintenance tools.
So, zmd is gone? I thought I saw it still running on my systems. I distinctly remember killing it along with beagle soon after install. Is it okay to trust YaST to software installations again? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 07:46:13AM -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Fri, June 22, 2007 3:26 pm, Sloan wrote:
With YAST and YOU to even contemplate something like "Smart" is ridiculous.
In all fairness, the yast software management in 10.1 was such a mess that frustrated long time SuSE users were turning to smart in droves. Whatever limitations smart had, it worked far more effectively than YOU did at the time. Now that we've replaced that silly zmd thing with zypper in 10.2, we're happy again, and haven't needed any additional software maintenance tools.
So, zmd is gone? I thought I saw it still running on my systems. I distinctly remember killing it along with beagle soon after install.
In 10.2 you can replace zmd, it is still included.
Is it okay to trust YaST to software installations again?
This always was the case. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
So, zmd is gone? I thought I saw it still running on my systems. I distinctly remember killing it along with beagle soon after install.
You can mix and match these tools, they all play together. In the 10.2 install, there is a pattern for "enterprise software management" and one for "opensuse software management" (if memory serves). I nuke the enterprise pattern and choose the opensuse pattern, and all is well. I sometimes use zypper from the command line, sometimes yast, as they share the same back end. I always nuke beagle as well. I don't appreciate getting fragged due to a longish hang cause by beagle.
Is it okay to trust YaST to software installations again?
FWIW I feel like I can trust yast again, and prefer it to smart. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Billie Erin Walsh skrev:
The official name is "Smart" but they definitely aren't "smart".
Stupid Updater says I have six (6) updates available. Click on the "install". Asks for root password. Goes through five minutes of gyrations. Says there are no available updates. IF there are no updates available why did it say there were six? I agree i just doesn't work. But I must confess I have not tried to make it work either. I installed it and assumed it would work by itself, by it never did. Stupid Installer probably has the very worst user interface I have ever seen on any program. Now hold on. I agree it is lacking in layout usability but it does work and, whats more it is the fastest gui installer I have ever used. You should try it. Time your self installing a small app like kibadock in yast and in smart (from you start yast or smart to you close it.). In smart I use less than 40 seconds. In yast I use 4min and 50 sec! And I have 3500 mhz processor 3 GB ram box so don't say it's my hardware either...
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On 06/23/2007 Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Now hold on. I agree it is lacking in layout usability but it does work and, whats more it is the fastest gui installer I have ever used. You should try it. Time your self installing a small app like kibadock in yast and in smart (from you start yast or smart to you close it.). In smart I use less than 40 seconds. In yast I use 4min and 50 sec! And I have 3500 mhz processor 3 GB ram box so don't say it's my hardware either...
I hate the interface so much I don't EVEN want to waste my time trying to find what I want. I have a 3.2 GHz dual core with only 1Gig. I actually don't find Yast install time to be an issue, unless I'm doing something like twenty or thirty at a time [ then just flip over to another desktop and keep playing ]. My connection is FAST so there's very little lag time during the download. No thanks. I'll stick with Yast. IMHO, Smart just ain't. My ol' granpa used to say, "If'n it ain't broke, don't fix it." Yast ain't broke. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 11:43 +0200, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Billie Erin Walsh skrev:
The official name is "Smart" but they definitely aren't "smart".
Time your self installing a small app like kibadock in yast and in smart (from you start yast or smart to you close it.). In smart I use less than 40 seconds. In yast I use 4min and 50 sec! And I have 3500 mhz processor 3 GB ram box so don't say it's my hardware either...
I've just upgraded from 9.3 to 10.2 and I've noticed that software installation in YaST is *much* slower than it used to be. (I've removed zmd). I think this is largely because it is downloading the package lists every time I use it, whereas before I think they only changed when I did an update or refreshed the source. Is there some way to tell it *not* to download the lists every time, and just do it when I tell it to (or overnight or something)? Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Howorth wrote:
I've just upgraded from 9.3 to 10.2 and I've noticed that software installation in YaST is *much* slower than it used to be. (I've removed zmd).
I think this is largely because it is downloading the package lists every time I use it, whereas before I think they only changed when I did an update or refreshed the source. Is there some way to tell it *not* to download the lists every time, and just do it when I tell it to (or overnight or something)?
Yes, there is. Previously, you could see the button to aktivate/deactivate a source at once. Now it is hidden a bit in the don-t-know-the-name button in the corner down right, where you can deactivate AND/OR not-refresh a source. The always-refresh behaviour is pretty annoying when you only want to install a little package. I guess, the reason for that is, that these sources also work as update sources. -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 17:35 +0200, Sandy Drobic wrote:
Dave Howorth wrote:
Is there some way to tell it *not* to download the lists every time, and just do it when I tell it to (or overnight or something)?
Yes, there is. Previously, you could see the button to aktivate/deactivate a source at once. Now it is hidden a bit in the don-t-know-the-name button in the corner down right, where you can deactivate AND/OR not-refresh a source.
Ah, thanks Sandy. That's the "Source Settings" button on YaST's Software/Installation Source page, for anybody else following. That speeds it up considerably, though I think it's still slower than 9.3. Definitely an improvement. It leaves a lesser problem in its wake :( Now when I click on Online Update it says it will "Refresh update sources" but it doesn't. Apart from going into the Installation Source page and selecting Refresh now for each individual source in turn, is there some way to tell it to refresh all sources?
The always-refresh behaviour is pretty annoying when you only want to install a little package. I guess, the reason for that is, that these sources also work as update sources.
Yes, but the use cases seem pretty obvious to me: (1) I want to install a new package. I want to do it quickly, because I want to use it! (2) I want to do a regular and/or sporadic update to bring things pretty much up-to-date, as good housekeeping. (3) I've just heard about some specific threat and want exactly that very recent release. In case (3), I'm more than willing to push a button saying "guarantee me the latest possible update", and I'm more than happy to wait while it does a download. In all other cases, I'm happy with an expectation that the sources have been updated sometime in the last 24 hours, or even a week, and I definitely don't want to wait. I don't understand why there isn't a system cron job that keeps the lists up-to-date overnight. I guess there's some command-line incantation that I could set up as a cron job. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, June 23, 2007 2:43 am, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote: In yast I use 4min and 50 sec! And I
have 3500 mhz processor 3 GB ram box so don't say it's my hardware either...
It is your hardware. You need to upgrade. :P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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