kppp, kinternet or yast?
Hi It's ages since I had to do a dialup installation. My client's ISP (wanadoo, Spain) tells me to use kppp to configure the installation. When I go to install kppp, yast tells me that kinternet is the tool to use. In the days of 6.2 I seem to remember it all being done with Yast. Surely, they write to the same files don't they? Does it matter which I use? Cheers, Steve.
steve wrote:
My client's ISP (wanadoo, Spain) tells me to use kppp to configure the installation. When I go to install kppp, yast tells me that kinternet is the tool to use.
They are different. kppp is a frontend to pppd, kinternet is also, with smpppd, also a frontend for pppd. Yast is more designed for kinternet, or more probably smpppd (suse meta ppp daemon). I prefer the more simple kppp, but it depends on what kind of connection. kppp is really good for a simple dial-up, kinternet is great for dsl.
In the days of 6.2 I seem to remember it all being done with Yast. Surely, they write to the same files don't they?
Does it matter which I use? If it works, it doesn't matter. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
steve wrote:
Hi It's ages since I had to do a dialup installation.
My client's ISP (wanadoo, Spain) tells me to use kppp to configure the installation. When I go to install kppp, yast tells me that kinternet is the tool to use.
In the days of 6.2 I seem to remember it all being done with Yast. Surely, they write to the same files don't they?
Does it matter which I use? Cheers, Steve.
I prefer kppp and have used it in SuSE 9.0, 9.1 and now 9.2. Works well for me.
James Knott wrote:
steve wrote:
It's ages since I had to do a dialup installation.
My client's ISP (wanadoo, Spain) tells me to use kppp to configure the installation. When I go to install kppp, yast tells me that kinternet is the tool to use.
In the days of 6.2 I seem to remember it all being done with Yast. Surely, they write to the same files don't they?
Does it matter which I use?
I prefer kppp and have used it in SuSE 9.0, 9.1 and now 9.2. Works well for me.
My favorite is good old wvdial, which I have used from my first Linux days in SuSE 6.3. Once I understood how to configure /etc/wvdial.conf, things looked transparent and easily understandable, so I never found a reason to switch to something else. SH
On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 11:20, steve wrote:
Hi It's ages since I had to do a dialup installation.
My client's ISP (wanadoo, Spain) tells me to use kppp to configure the installation. When I go to install kppp, yast tells me that kinternet is the tool to use.
I did it in Yast at install time. I just followed the prompts and then promptly lost my notes. You need the phone number, the dns entrys and your active account with password. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/
The Tuesday 2005-03-22 at 17:56 +0100, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
I prefer kppp and have used it in SuSE 9.0, 9.1 and now 9.2. Works well for me.
My favorite is good old wvdial, which I have used from my first Linux days in SuSE 6.3. Once I understood how to configure /etc/wvdial.conf, things looked transparent and easily understandable, so I never found a reason to switch to something else.
Same here. And it works on a text terminal, or remotely over ssh. If there are errors, we can see them immediately. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Tuesday 22 March 2005 17:56, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
James Knott wrote:
steve wrote:
It's ages since I had to do a dialup installation.
My client's ISP (wanadoo, Spain) tells me to use kppp to configure the installation. When I go to install kppp, yast tells me that kinternet is the tool to use.
In the days of 6.2 I seem to remember it all being done with Yast. Surely, they write to the same files don't they?
Does it matter which I use?
I prefer kppp and have used it in SuSE 9.0, 9.1 and now 9.2. Works well for me.
My favorite is good old wvdial, which I have used from my first Linux days in SuSE 6.3. Once I understood how to configure /etc/wvdial.conf, things looked transparent and easily understandable, so I never found a reason to switch to something else.
SH
How do I set wvdial or kinternet to use PAP authentication? With KPPP there is an option but with the other two none. Cheers, Steve.
steve wrote:
How do I set wvdial or kinternet to use PAP authentication? With KPPP there is an option but with the other two none.
In /etc/wvdial.conf, set: Stupid Mode = 1 (Well, in fact it's not that stupid.) Or set it with YaST2. In my 8.2 YaST2: Network Devices > Modem > 'Already configured devices', click 'Change' > Providers > select isp > click 'Edit' > click 'Next' > check 'Stupid mode'
On Thursday 31 March 2005 20:03, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
steve wrote:
How do I set wvdial or kinternet to use PAP authentication? With KPPP there is an option but with the other two none.
In /etc/wvdial.conf, set: Stupid Mode = 1 (Well, in fact it's not that stupid.)
Or set it with YaST2. In my 8.2 YaST2:
Network Devices > Modem > 'Already configured devices', click 'Change' > Providers > select isp > click 'Edit' > click 'Next' > check 'Stupid mode'
Thanks. The google stuff and man pages on this are impenetrable to someone who hasn't setup a modem for a few years. Thanks for your simplicity. cheers, Steve.
The Thursday 2005-03-31 at 20:03 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
steve wrote:
How do I set wvdial or kinternet to use PAP authentication? With KPPP there is an option but with the other two none.
In /etc/wvdial.conf, set: Stupid Mode = 1 (Well, in fact it's not that stupid.)
Well, actually, that's not for pap. What it does is select who sends the login, wvdial or the pppd daemon. It is pppd who has to use either chap or pap to authenticate. Stupid Mode When wvdial is in Stupid Mode, it does not attempt to interpret any prompts from the terminal server. It starts pppd immediately after the modem connects. Apparently there are ISP's that actually give you a login prompt, but work only if you start PPP, rather than logging in. Go figure. Stupid Mode is (natu rally) disabled by default. In other words: some providers (like tiscali in Spain, some times Terra needed it as well) offer a login prompt before the ppp negotiation. This login is not for internet usage, but to log into the access router! It is a misconfiguration, because those routers can be used for different type of access (VoIP, for example, console...), Therefore, in stupid mode wvdial simply passes control to pppd as soon as it can. I guess the correct option should be: PPPD Option= refuse-chap or, edit the file /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial and add a line containing "refuse-chap". This will tell the pppd to use PAP instead. "require-pap" would be for authentication of "them to us". -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Thursday 31 March 2005 20:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2005-03-31 at 20:03 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
steve wrote:
How do I set wvdial or kinternet to use PAP authentication? With KPPP there is an option but with the other two none.
In /etc/wvdial.conf, set: Stupid Mode = 1 (Well, in fact it's not that stupid.)
Well, actually, that's not for pap. What it does is select who sends the login, wvdial or the pppd daemon. It is pppd who has to use either chap or pap to authenticate.
Stupid Mode When wvdial is in Stupid Mode, it does not attempt to interpret any prompts from the terminal server. It starts pppd immediately after the modem connects. Apparently there are ISP's that actually give you a login prompt, but work only if you start PPP, rather than logging in. Go figure. Stupid Mode is (natu rally) disabled by default.
In other words: some providers (like tiscali in Spain, some times Terra needed it as well) offer a login prompt before the ppp negotiation. This login is not for internet usage, but to log into the access router! It is a misconfiguration, because those routers can be used for different type of access (VoIP, for example, console...), Therefore, in stupid mode wvdial simply passes control to pppd as soon as it can.
I guess the correct option should be:
PPPD Option= refuse-chap
or, edit the file /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial and add a line containing "refuse-chap". This will tell the pppd to use PAP instead.
"require-pap" would be for authentication of "them to us".
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi Carlos, Hi everyone. If I use wvdial it doesn't matter if I set stupid mode to 0 or 1. I can still connect. Is that what you're saying Carlos? With kinternet is seems it does. Does kinternet use wvdial? I'm using wanadoo.es (unfortunately) Does anyone have a modem working reliably with any ISP in Spain? Cheers, Steve.
The Friday 2005-04-01 at 13:39 +0200, steve wrote:
Hi Carlos, Hi everyone. If I use wvdial it doesn't matter if I set stupid mode to 0 or 1. I can still connect. Is that what you're saying Carlos?
No, I meant simply that "stupid mode" does not choose between pap and chap, but between before/after ppp. Kind of. Normally, use "0", not stupid. With some providers you need to use "1" or it will not work.
With kinternet is seems it does. Does kinternet use wvdial?
I'm not sure, I don't use kinternet. It might. If you want to use wvdial and it doesn't work, start it from a console and post here what you get. Something like this: cer@telperion:~> wvdial stiscali --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.42 --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK .... with that data I could be able to help you.
I'm using wanadoo.es (unfortunately)
Why? ;-)
Does anyone have a modem working reliably with any ISP in Spain?
Mmmm.... define reliably :-p No provider is fully reliable here, that's why I use two. But state your problem and I'll expand my comments. There is a particular problem with modems in SuSE 9.1 and later with no solution, reported here. It connects, but slowly and intermittently. I can't know if that is your problem till you expand your info. Problems to establish the connection? You know, crystal balls are very expensive nowdays :-p -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
I'm using wanadoo.es (unfortunately)
Why? ;-)
Why wanadoo or why unfortunately? We install dual boot systems for old ladies down here who are fed up with norton, panda. . . and having their XP box go off road three times a year. Wanadoo offer linux installation help on their site. But they don't support linux. So we get called back to fix it when they don't know what to put where.
Does anyone have a modem working reliably with any ISP in Spain?
Mmmm.... define reliably :-p
A 9.2 YOU update from a new installation today will not complete with dialup. Downloading the new openoffice beta even with ftp takes several attempts and then the MD5's don't check. Get a 'phone call and the line drops. . . Tarifa plana 24 horas simply is not that. But OK, it's only 18 Euros mes.
No provider is fully reliable here.
Dragonet in Alfaz del Pi with its fc2 server is the most reliable I've found so far. Maybe I should join the Spanish list and ask there. Is it as active as this one? Cheers, Steve.
The Friday 2005-04-01 at 22:21 +0200, steve wrote:
I'm using wanadoo.es (unfortunately)
Why? ;-)
Why wanadoo or why unfortunately?
The second :-)
We install dual boot systems for old ladies down here who are fed up with norton, panda. . . and having their XP box go off road three times a year.
Interesting :-)
Wanadoo offer linux installation help on their site. But they don't support linux. So we get called back to fix it when they don't know what to put where.
Ah... I see. Well, none really support publicly (as far as I know) Linux, even though some do use Linux internally (that I do know first hand). The thing is that the support personnel at the call centers are hired with a specific curriculum and are given a strict set of rules, like "we don't support Linux". A friend of mine at one of those call centers only supported it while the supervisor was not looking and there were no more calls waiting - ie, early hours. The feeling he got was that the Linux user was more knowledgeable, and only wanted data, not hand-holding.
Does anyone have a modem working reliably with any ISP in Spain?
Mmmm.... define reliably :-p
A 9.2 YOU update from a new installation today will not complete with dialup. Downloading the new openoffice beta even with ftp takes several attempts and then the MD5's don't check. Get a 'phone call and the line drops. . . Tarifa plana 24 horas simply is not that. But OK, it's only 18 Euros mes.
Ah, if even the phone call fails, then there is no way the modem works "reliably". No way! Who does that phone line belongs to? Or, being Spain, who writes the receipt, who gets paid? They are responsible. That's a reason why I will never switch telephone company with the redirection system, I stay with old Telefónica. I don't like them much, but the lines are theirs, not hired from somebody else. A cable company, that's different: say Ono, for example, they own their lines. So... your kind of reliability. My phone line belongs to Telefónica - that's your first problem, line quality. I use as providers Teleline (old Terra) and Tiscali. Previously I had another private one, now extinct. Terra is a bit faster, but has its own problems (like higher number of port scans). Tiscali has better mailboxes and services in general, but some times it doesn't work at all, or in part. Speed is a little bit slower, and I have my educated guesses about it (the access router, equivalent to the modem, I'm 95% sure will not be on my home town). But I don't have problems with download, I can get continuous speed around 5-6 kbytes... with SuSE 7.3. With 9.1, around 1-2 kb only. Old story.
No provider is fully reliable here. Dragonet in Alfaz del Pi with its fc2 server is the most reliable I've found so far.
Never heard of them, must be a small provider.
Maybe I should join the Spanish list and ask there. Is it as active as this one?
You should, certainly, yours is a local question. It is quite active, but we are less people, and more "easy going", I think. :-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
I do not know if this is a help but when I tried to connect with kppp it did not work correctly. The way I connected is through qinternet. What I did is configure the modem under yast. Once you have completed that, you can then invoke qinternet. By the way you will have to configure the mail system a bit. It turns out if you do not do this and the firewall is not enable, it will not allow you through the firewall. steve wrote:
I'm using wanadoo.es (unfortunately)
Why? ;-)
Why wanadoo or why unfortunately? We install dual boot systems for old ladies down here who are fed up with norton, panda. . . and having their XP box go off road three times a year. Wanadoo offer linux installation help on their site. But they don't support linux. So we get called back to fix it when they don't know what to put where.
Does anyone have a modem working reliably with any ISP in Spain?
Mmmm.... define reliably :-p
A 9.2 YOU update from a new installation today will not complete with dialup. Downloading the new openoffice beta even with ftp takes several attempts and then the MD5's don't check. Get a 'phone call and the line drops. . . Tarifa plana 24 horas simply is not that. But OK, it's only 18 Euros mes.
No provider is fully reliable here.
Dragonet in Alfaz del Pi with its fc2 server is the most reliable I've found so far. Maybe I should join the Spanish list and ask there. Is it as active as this one?
Cheers, Steve.
-- Joseph Loo jloo@acm.org
On Friday 01 April 2005 16:23, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2005-04-01 at 13:39 +0200, steve wrote:
Hi Carlos, Hi everyone. If I use wvdial it doesn't matter if I set stupid mode to 0 or 1. I can still connect. Is that what you're saying Carlos?
No, I meant simply that "stupid mode" does not choose between pap and chap, but between before/after ppp. Kind of.
Normally, use "0", not stupid. With some providers you need to use "1" or it will not work.
With kinternet is seems it does. Does kinternet use wvdial?
I'm not sure, I don't use kinternet. It might. If you want to use wvdial and it doesn't work, start it from a console and post here what you get. Something like this:
cer@telperion:~> wvdial stiscali --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.42 --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK ....
with that data I could be able to help you.
I'm using wanadoo.es (unfortunately)
Why? ;-)
Does anyone have a modem working reliably with any ISP in Spain?
Mmmm.... define reliably :-p
No provider is fully reliable here, that's why I use two. But state your problem and I'll expand my comments. There is a particular problem with modems in SuSE 9.1 and later with no solution, reported here. It connects, but slowly and intermittently. I can't know if that is your problem till you expand your info. Problems to establish the connection? You know, crystal balls are very expensive nowdays :-p
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi. If I can connect then that means the authentication worked no? So if I lose the connection say after 2 hours then that's nothing to do with stupid mode, PAP, CHAP or anything to do with _establishing_ the connection. If I can connect and then the connection drops that's not an authentication issue is it? I must look elsewhere if I want it to _stay_ connected. . . Cheers, Steve.
steve wrote:
If I can connect then that means the authentication worked
Correct
no? So if I lose the connection say after 2 hours then that's nothing to do with stupid mode, PAP, CHAP or anything to do with _establishing_ the connection.
Correct
If I can connect and then the connection drops that's not an authentication issue is it? No. I must look elsewhere if I want it to _stay_ connected. . . Correct. Also note, if you have a bad phone line, noise, cross-talk, etc., that can also cause your connection to drop. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
The Saturday 2005-04-02 at 22:23 +0200, steve wrote:
Hi. If I can connect then that means the authentication worked no?
Yes.
So if I lose the connection say after 2 hours then that's nothing to do with stupid mode, PAP, CHAP or anything to do with _establishing_ the connection.
Correct.
If I can connect and then the connection drops that's not an authentication issue is it? I must look elsewhere if I want it to _stay_ connected. . .
Exactly. Once data starts to flow, the problem is another one - and by what you said, I suspect the phone line quality. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
So if I lose the connection say after 2 hours then that's nothing to do with stupid mode, PAP, CHAP or anything to do with _establishing_ the connection.
Correct.
If I can connect and then the connection drops that's not an authentication issue is it? I must look elsewhere if I want it to _stay_ connected. . .
Exactly. Once data starts to flow, the problem is another one - and by what you said, I suspect the phone line quality.
It cuts out after around 20 minutes of not being used. Is there a timeout for inactivity somewhere? Cheers, Steve.
It cuts out after around 20 minutes of not being used. Is there a timeout for inactivity somewhere? Since most are a front-end to pppd, check either /etc/ppp/options, or
steve wrote: the particular files in /etc/ppp/peers/. Check for the idle option. man ppp for more info. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Registered Linux user 231871
The Wednesday 2005-04-06 at 20:52 +0200, steve wrote:
It cuts out after around 20 minutes of not being used. Is there a timeout for inactivity somewhere?
Of course. Where, depends on which program you use. Even the ISP could do it - uncommon, but possible. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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