Re: [opensuse] Nvidia vs ATI [OT: Sandy Bridge] - SUCCESS
On 07/20/2011 11:31 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:
So, I think, it is necessary only to change the refresh rate. But Personal Settings> Display and Monitor offers onlly 60Hz (or Auto, which doesn't help). It is very hard to believe that this acclaimed (by the manufacturer) driver and hardware can support only one refresh rate (which doesn't seem demandingly fast), and that one is possible only for
i retrieved the computer from the merchant's shop an hour ago, and set it up with the new 19" monitor using its digital input connector. The computer and the monitor decided between them, without involving me, that 1280x1024 at 60Hz is the way to go, which is what I wanted. Clearly, the lack of EDID information from the monitor was the root of the problem. With the old monitor removed from its restrictive location, in which it was clumsy to try to make out its date of manufacture, I see that it was made in 2003. Either it lacked the EDID support from the beginning, or it lost it at some later point. It has only an analog input; is EDID supported only in digital monitors? The spontaneous reboot behavior didn't occur over the weekend while the technician was letting the computer run -- in other words, a rare event happened not to occur in a specific two-day interval. If it happens again, I will print out the relevant section of the log to show them. Thank you all for your help! -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/07/24 21:09 (GMT+0300) Stan Goodman composed:
i retrieved the computer from the merchant's shop an hour ago, and set it up with the new 19" monitor using its digital input connector. The computer and the monitor decided between them, without involving me, that 1280x1024 at 60Hz is the way to go, which is what I wanted. Clearly, the lack of EDID information from the monitor was the root of the problem.
After what I thought I remembered about earlier discussion, I was surprised to discover your new L1942PK turned out to not be a widescreen. :-) Before SaX2 was dropped after 11.2, EDID wasn't so crucial as it seems to have become since 11.3 and KMS kernels. If EDID failed, it was a simple matter to use SaX2 to set up xorg.conf to produce desired results.
With the old monitor removed from its restrictive location, in which it was clumsy to try to make out its date of manufacture, I see that it was made in 2003. Either it lacked the EDID support from the beginning, or it lost it at some later point. It has only an analog input; is EDID supported only in digital monitors?
EDID predates the century and the virtual vacation of CRTs from the marketplace. EDID failure happening after warranty expiration is hardly unknown. The vast majority of 17" & 19" Trinitrons I've encountered have lost theirs. Sometimes the problem is actually the motherboard or gfxcard connector or the cable. If the connection is bad in the wrong pin, or a cable is used that doesn't connect all 15 pins, visibly or otherwise, it can have the same effect as missing or bad EDID.
The spontaneous reboot behavior didn't occur over the weekend while the technician was letting the computer run -- in other words, a rare event happened not to occur in a specific two-day interval. If it happens again, I will print out the relevant section of the log to show them.
With any luck those spontaneous reboots were related to using the old LCD, and thus won't happen any more. Did you ever install a kernel newer than 2.6.37 (with 1-click?), or just the newer xorg-x11-driver-video-7.6-229.1 from software.opensuse.org? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/24/2011 10:55 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
After what I thought I remembered about earlier discussion, I was surprised to discover your new L1942PK turned out to not be a widescreen. :-)
Before SaX2 was dropped after 11.2, EDID wasn't so crucial as it seems to have become since 11.3 and KMS kernels. If EDID failed, it was a simple matter to use SaX2 to set up xorg.conf to produce desired results.
Two CLI apps you need to remember: xvidtune (is still your best friend :) An oldie, but a goodie. You can fine tune and dump the xorg information you need. Also don't forget: gtf (general timing frequency [usage: gtf x y refresh]) This will create you xorg modeline you can use on any monitor in lieu of EDID information. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/07/24 14:42 (GMT-0400) David C. Rankin composed:
Two CLI apps you need to remember:
xvidtune (is still your best friend :)
Only if X is running.
An oldie, but a goodie. You can fine tune and dump the xorg information you need. Also don't forget:
gtf (general timing frequency [usage: gtf x y refresh])
Or CVT. Both CVT and GTF can be run from ttys so that they can be used to get X to work.
This will create you xorg modeline you can use on any monitor in lieu of EDID information.
Or, with FOSS drivers at least (I've yet to try any non-FOSS video driver in Linux) you can make Xorg generate whatever modeline(s) it needs by putting in 'Section "Monitor"': 'Option "DefaultModes" "on"' if any manual configuration is otherwise necessary. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/07/24 21:09 (GMT+0300) Stan Goodman composed:
i retrieved the computer from the merchant's shop an hour ago, and set it up with the new 19" monitor using its digital input connector. The computer and the monitor decided between them, without involving me, that 1280x1024 at 60Hz is the way to go, which is what I wanted. Clearly, the lack of EDID information from the monitor was the root of the problem.
After what I thought I remembered about earlier discussion, I was surprised to discover your new L1942PK turned out to not be a widescreen. :-) So was I. I have spent a good bit of time in the place, and have not seen recently screens other than wide-screen, with the exception of
On 07/24/2011 06:55 PM, Felix Miata wrote: little net-books; same in Office Depot etc, The technician assured me that trying to buy anything else will fail. The salesman, on the other hand, even offered me a choice between Fujitsu and LG. Apparently, he keeps private stock that is not revealed if you don't ask for it specifically. It's like speakeasies in the Prohibition era.
Before SaX2 was dropped after 11.2, EDID wasn't so crucial as it seems to have become since 11.3 and KMS kernels. If EDID failed, it was a simple matter to use SaX2 to set up xorg.conf to produce desired results.
With the old monitor removed from its restrictive location, in which it was clumsy to try to make out its date of manufacture, I see that it was made in 2003. Either it lacked the EDID support from the beginning, or it lost it at some later point. It has only an analog input; is EDID supported only in digital monitors?
EDID predates the century and the virtual vacation of CRTs from the marketplace. EDID failure happening after warranty expiration is hardly unknown. The vast majority of 17" & 19" Trinitrons I've encountered have lost theirs. Sometimes the problem is actually the motherboard or gfxcard connector or the cable. If the connection is bad in the wrong pin, or a cable is used that doesn't connect all 15 pins, visibly or otherwise, it can have the same effect as missing or bad EDID.
The spontaneous reboot behavior didn't occur over the weekend while the technician was letting the computer run -- in other words, a rare event happened not to occur in a specific two-day interval. If it happens again, I will print out the relevant section of the log to show them.
With any luck those spontaneous reboots were related to using the old LCD, and thus won't happen any more.
Did you ever install a kernel newer than 2.6.37 (with 1-click?), or just the newer xorg-x11-driver-video-7.6-229.1 from software.opensuse.org?
My memory has become sieve like for anything I have done more than a few
hours ago (at best). But YaST neither sleeps nor slumbers, and knows
that I have
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