Every once in a while, when I start a new xterm, bash will not give me a prompt. This has happened on different machines, and under the last few SuSE distributions. It's a very minor annoyance, but it's so fundamental to the very concept of Linux/Unix (http://www.unix.org/) that it needs to be addressed. Have other's noticed this? STH
[Steven T. Hatton]
Every once in a while, when I start a new xterm, bash will not give me a prompt. This has happened on different machines, and under the last few SuSE distributions. It's a very minor annoyance, but it's so fundamental to the very concept of Linux/Unix (http://www.unix.org/) that it needs to be addressed. Have other's noticed this?
I observed this, indeed, but it was many years ago. I never understood the origin of the problem, and it apparently vanished all by itself :-). Everything has been working perfectly for me, in this area, for a long time now. I have no clue about what the problem could have been... -- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca
François Pinard wrote:
[Steven T. Hatton]
Every once in a while, when I start a new xterm, bash will not give me a prompt. This has happened on different machines, and under the last few SuSE distributions. It's a very minor annoyance, but it's so fundamental to the very concept of Linux/Unix (http://www.unix.org/) that it needs to be addressed. Have other's noticed this?
I observed this, indeed, but it was many years ago. I never understood the origin of the problem, and it apparently vanished all by itself :-). Everything has been working perfectly for me, in this area, for a long time now. I have no clue about what the problem could have been...
Many distros ago the same thing, so I switched to gnome-terminal and I exclusively use konsole, both of which do tabs as opposed to messy multiple xterm windows, about time it was pensioned off. Just remembered, xterm is not installed in Mandriva by default. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
On Monday 31 October 2005 16:35, Sid Boyce wrote:
François Pinard wrote:
[Steven T. Hatton]
Every once in a while, when I start a new xterm, bash will not give me a prompt. This has happened on different machines, and under the last few SuSE distributions. It's a very minor annoyance, but it's so fundamental to the very concept of Linux/Unix (http://www.unix.org/) that it needs to be addressed. Have other's noticed this?
I observed this, indeed, but it was many years ago. I never understood the origin of the problem, and it apparently vanished all by itself
:-). Everything has been working perfectly for me, in this area, for a
long time now. I have no clue about what the problem could have been...
Many distros ago the same thing, so I switched to gnome-terminal and I exclusively use konsole, both of which do tabs as opposed to messy multiple xterm windows, about time it was pensioned off. Just remembered, xterm is not installed in Mandriva by default. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
Nowt wrong with xterms me lad .. :-) .... cant stand that kterminal thingy .. Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:------- AFFA
Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Monday 31 October 2005 16:35, Sid Boyce wrote:
François Pinard wrote:
[Steven T. Hatton]
Every once in a while, when I start a new xterm, bash will not give me a prompt. This has happened on different machines, and under the last few SuSE distributions. It's a very minor annoyance, but it's so fundamental to the very concept of Linux/Unix (http://www.unix.org/) that it needs to be addressed. Have other's noticed this? I observed this, indeed, but it was many years ago. I never understood the origin of the problem, and it apparently vanished all by itself
:-). Everything has been working perfectly for me, in this area, for a
long time now. I have no clue about what the problem could have been... Many distros ago the same thing, so I switched to gnome-terminal and I exclusively use konsole, both of which do tabs as opposed to messy multiple xterm windows, about time it was pensioned off. Just remembered, xterm is not installed in Mandriva by default. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
Nowt wrong with xterms me lad .. :-) .... cant stand that kterminal thingy ..
Pete .
Except if you are trying to do stuff across a number of boxes (4/5) each needing 2 ssh sessions, 10 xterms would be a nightmare as opposed to gnometerminal or konsole which keep things tidy and manageable all on one screen. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2005-11-01 at 04:42 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
Except if you are trying to do stuff across a number of boxes (4/5) each needing 2 ssh sessions, 10 xterms would be a nightmare as opposed to gnometerminal or konsole which keep things tidy and manageable all on one screen.
There are programs that work much better on an xterm than on gnome-terminal or konsole - for instance, Pine. Other, like 'mc', whose "F10" key for exit is captured by the gnome-terminal and interpreted to show the terminal menu instead. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDaNaotTMYHG2NR9URAu4mAJkB8Budaay6R+ghre8ldxDWY1CgngCggYCq +U7JN0mEDMqmy7AwRuxMp4g= =4r3m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2005-11-01 at 04:42 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
Except if you are trying to do stuff across a number of boxes (4/5) each needing 2 ssh sessions, 10 xterms would be a nightmare as opposed to gnometerminal or konsole which keep things tidy and manageable all on one screen.
There are programs that work much better on an xterm than on gnome-terminal or konsole - for instance, Pine. Other, like 'mc', whose "F10" key for exit is captured by the gnome-terminal and interpreted to show the terminal menu instead.
- -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
OK, I just fired pine up but I have no messages in the INBOX, couldn't spot any differences between xterm and konsole, same goes for mc. Perhaps I'd have to be using those apps on a more regular basis to see the problems. As a KDE user I don't use gnometerminal and have yet to find a problem with konsole on SuSE, Mandriva or gentoo. Once konsole had matured, I haven't used xterm, multixterm (more or less same deal as xterm, a little less confusion but the same clutter even on 21 inch screens), rxvt or any of the other terminals available. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2005-11-02 at 23:43 -0000, Sid Boyce wrote:
There are programs that work much better on an xterm than on gnome-terminal or konsole - for instance, Pine. Other, like 'mc', whose "F10" key for exit is captured by the gnome-terminal and interpreted to show the terminal menu instead.
OK, I just fired pine up but I have no messages in the INBOX, couldn't spot any differences between xterm and konsole, same goes for mc. Perhaps I'd have to be using those apps on a more regular basis to see the problems. As a KDE user I don't use gnometerminal and have yet to find a problem with konsole on SuSE, Mandriva or gentoo. Once konsole had matured, I haven't used xterm, multixterm (more or less same deal as xterm, a little less confusion but the same clutter even on 21 inch screens), rxvt or any of the other terminals available.
I don't remember right now what problems I had, I took the decision quite some time ago. I think it was some collisions with the control-keys used by the Pine editor. Also, I found the way to boot an xterm using ISO-8859-1 instead of the default utf-8. Pine can not change the font on the fly, it uses that of the terminal, so I select the one most used in emails. mc works fine in gnome-terminal, except when you try to type "F10" to exit: instead you get the terminal menu. In knosole, I don't remember, I think it works well, but I don't use it much. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD4DBQFDaW44tTMYHG2NR9URAtsKAJ0fbc80tKQaTwHpzChdnqlPNCiekwCXezK2 tv3RoKjYDsblqknv+5xcFQ== =DUqH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2005-11-03 at 02:55 +0100, I wrote:
I don't remember right now what problems I had, I took the decision quite some time ago. I think it was some collisions with the control-keys used
There are also some other persistent problems with xterms. One I had just now, is that the terminal stopped accepting "dead keys", those used to type accented letters, like á, é, í, ó, or ú. This happens seldom, but twice this week. In those cases, the only remedy I found is to exit xterm and restart another one. Typing "reset" doesn't help. Another one that happens very often, in gnome at least, is when switching, say, from "mozilla" in another workspace to xterm: it seems the keyboard buffer retains some control code, and the first letter I type is interpreted as a command. It happens regardless of what I have in the xterm: pine, bash, mc, but the effects differ. I don't know if it is a problem specific to xterm or to gnome or both, but it has been occurring for years. Both problems, in fact. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDafVctTMYHG2NR9URAs0mAJ9z7IZfp3IT6r1NPWdQrIGirva98gCfWves 9QjDu5iom0ODzofIECG13fU= =ttK9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
François Pinard wrote:
[Steven T. Hatton]
Every once in a while, when I start a new xterm, bash will not give me a prompt. This has happened on different machines, and under the last few SuSE distributions. It's a very minor annoyance, but it's so fundamental to the very concept of Linux/Unix (http://www.unix.org/) that it needs to be addressed. Have other's noticed this?
I observed this, indeed, but it was many years ago. I never understood the origin of the problem, and it apparently vanished all by itself :-). Everything has been working perfectly for me, in this area, for a long time now. I have no clue about what the problem could have been...
I have noticed the same problem (started with SuSE 9.2). In my case unsetting LANG env. variable did the trick. I found (in my case ) that if LANG contained ISO-8859-2 part (sl_SI.ISO-8859-2) xterm started only now and then. But I need ISO-8859-2 codepage, so I had to switch to 'mlterm' and 'xiterm'. Hope it helps Zvone
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2005-10-31 at 02:10 -0500, Steven T. Hatton wrote:
Every once in a while, when I start a new xterm, bash will not give me a prompt. This has happened on different machines, and under the last few SuSE distributions. It's a very minor annoyance, but it's so fundamental to the very concept of Linux/Unix (http://www.unix.org/) that it needs to be addressed. Have other's noticed this?
I keep open a gnome-terminal window with 12 tabs (some of the tabs are bash sessions, some of them are just 'tailf logfile' commands); on session startup, it is restored automatically, but ocassionally, one of the tabs comes up empty, no prompt, no response. I have to close that tab. It could be related. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFDZm9GtTMYHG2NR9URAgFuAJ9VCAW6wD9xrcD07zru9RxFMGDX6QCgiimT hRur1Ggya0HjJyuD+BM8Flo= =LX4t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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