On 2007-02-03 10:25, George Stoianov wrote:

<snip> voted yet and the kernel group is in favor of V2 anyway. I saw the link on linuxtoday.com cannot find it now. You could search your browser history for all linuxtoday references :-)

I cannot speculate what that means to opensuse...

There are no MS patents in code in any GPL software. There never will be. The Novell/SuSE people here have made that very clear. What can GPL3 seek to do, prohibit Novell from simultaneously distributing the kernel and making an agreement with a company like MS? Lots of luck, that would only be completely illegal. -- Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- HG Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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There are no MS patents in code in any GPL software. There never will be.

That is a statement that neither you nor anyone else outside of Microsoft management can make. They have gotten thousands of software patents in the past couple of years, and we don't know what they cover, or, more to the point, what Microsoft will _say_ they cover. As I stated in a previous thread on this subject, a patent is valid until a court says it is invalid, and in a patent suit, the most bucks usually win -- even if the patent is flagrantly silly to knowledgeable professionals. If Microsoft has patented a 20-year-old software technique that has been in the linux kernel for 15 years, it's up to linux partisans to convince _a_court_ that linux doesn't violate the patent. That means _nonprofessionals_ will decide whether Microsoft professionals or linux's professionals are lying -- and Microsoft clearly has the most bucks (unless IBM participates aggressively). The Novell/SuSE people here have made that very clear. They may have made clear that they know of none. That's different from making it clear that there _are_ none. All they've really done (officially, at least) is covered themselves and _their_customers_ for five years against such an attack. We can only hope they know what they are doing. It appears that FSF isn't so sure. -- John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* John E. Perry [02-04-07 23:38]:

Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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There are no MS patents in code in any GPL software. There never will be.

That is a statement that neither you nor anyone else outside of Microsoft management can make. They have gotten thousands of software patents in the past couple of years, and we don't know what they cover, or, more to the point, what Microsoft will _say_ they cover.

And Mickey$oft's word is good for ???? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 08:28 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* John E. Perry [02-04-07 23:38]:

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Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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There are no MS patents in code in any GPL software. There never will be.

That is a statement that neither you nor anyone else outside of Microsoft management can make. They have gotten thousands of software patents in the past couple of years, and we don't know what they cover, or, more to the point, what Microsoft will _say_ they cover.

And Mickey$oft's word is good for ????

Two Senators on the right commettees and thirty members of the house plus an odd judge or two. All you need is enough money to buy them. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* John E. Perry [02-04-07 23:38]:

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Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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There are no MS patents in code in any GPL software. There never will be.

That is a statement that neither you nor anyone else outside of Microsoft management can make. They have gotten thousands of software patents in the past couple of years, and we don't know what they cover, or, more to the point, what Microsoft will _say_ they cover.

And Mickey$oft's word is good for ????

Once they've got a patent, it has to be challenged. Remember what happened with RIM and the Blackberry. They had to pay about 1/2 billion for infringing on a patent that was well on it's way to being invalidated.

Thanks, James. Good to see there's someone else here who doesn't have his head in the sand. -- John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 06 February 2007 02:43:25 John Andersen wrote:

On Monday 05 February 2007, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:

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Reuters is reporting that Novell may be banned from selling Linux.

Linux copyright is not owned by the FSF, Linux distrbution components rights are owned by large number of individuals, business and institutions around the world.

Actually a large number of copyrights and also patents have been (conditionally) assigned over the them IIRC.

Hitler this whole assinine thread, please... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems AB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 10 February 2007 20:17, Ruben Safir wrote:

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With the notable exclusion of the most important part, the kernel that wont be licensed under GPLv3. :)

It will eventually. Its just a matter of time until Linus gets the clue stick. Resistant he is. Stupid he is not.

It's not up to Linus. The kernel simply has too many copyright holders to change the license, so no, it won't change -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org