RE: [SLE] Gateway / firewall
Hi, ** M$ nooo way . W2K noooooo , Yep :-) Win2k. It's their best offering yet - but still miles off something stable, affordable, and well designed. ** The only way I can fight back is to vote with my $$$$$s , There are other ways. The main one is to find lots of vulnerabilities in the OS and then exploit them. Also lots of bad press does good (such as "We bought Linux because it's free and fast and dropped Windows because it's a primitive dog turd"). Also, physical violence from the extremes of pie chucking (he he) and crowbar+Bill's head might get a result. Problem is, that you'd have to kill them all off otherwise like bacteria, they will divide and conquer again... Injecting a few saboteurs into Microsoft would be cool. ** we are moving to linux with ALL NEW SYSTEMS while the current ** two M$ systems dual boot and are used to suport whats needed on M$ while we ** move apps to linux as they come avialable. I'd love to do that, but we have 800 Windows 98 PC's (help me!!!). We also have a whole pile of NT servers. Even (dare I say it), the firewall and proxy servers are NT (with SP3 if I remember). I'm still wearing my SuSE T-Shirt and poking various IS staff on a daily basis. Hopefully soon... ** Right now Im waiting for an ** affordable payroll app on linux and need to move a home built accounts ** ** [ snip ] ** ** accounts payable I could do in paradox with WPO2000 under wine if needed. Good luck. I use perl scripts to manage my home accounts (which sync nicely with my Palm V :-). Generates nice monthly and yearly reports (although I cant do a year report because I only wrote it 3 months ago). My main problem is that without Windows, I cannot play Homeworld (rather sadly, the main reason I exist on this planet)... ----------------------------------------------------------- Chris Smith IS Dept - Raytheon Systems Limited [chris.smith@raytheon.co.uk] +44 1279 407 103 ----------------------------------------------------------- Programmers are busy writing the next best idiot proof software. The universe, in the meantine, is busy making the next best idiot. The universe is winning... =========================================================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote:
Hi,
** M$ nooo way . W2K noooooo ,
Yep :-) Win2k. It's their best offering yet - but still miles off something stable, affordable, and well designed.
I built a new box - named Bill on my home network - and put Win2K on it so that I could do Access/VB N-tier stuff on it (that's what I do for a living...) But Office 2000 install locked up early in the process, having done essentially nothing. Visual Studio installed, everything except SQL Server. Kind of hard to do much N-tier without a database server. So, what do I have this box for? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Don Edwards wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote:
Visual Studio installed, everything except SQL Server. Kind of hard to do much N-tier without a database server.
So, what do I have this box for?
Experience :-) I have two systems running at home, both Cyrix MII, same (DFI) mobos. The Win2K one bombs about 4-6 times a day (sometimes while just running a standard screensaver!), The Linux one never stops. Tried (for a bit of comic relief) changing hard-drives over, to see if there was a problem with the Win machine hardware. Exactly the same results, W2K crashing repeatedly, Linux steady as! All the Win experts keep telling me that the Cyrix is the problem. I reply that it is reliable under Linux, and for the six months I was running FreeBSD on it, I had no problems. Both systems mention the "stepping" routine in the config for the Cyrix, but it seems that only one has it right. Personally, I'll stick to the one that works. If I didn't need access to a Win box for work, I would be on a 100% M$-free diet! -- Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING Surfing the Net (without crashing) With SuSE 6.4 Linux (Thanx Linus!) "Microsoft democratised the computer market and served as a catalyst in making computers available to everybody. Later, however, they did as many revolutionaries do -- they became dictators. History has taught us the inevitable fate of dictators." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote:
Hi,
** M$ nooo way . W2K noooooo ,
Yep :-) Win2k. It's their best offering yet - but still miles off something stable, affordable, and well designed.
I built a new box - named Bill on my home network - and put Win2K on it so that I could do Access/VB N-tier stuff on it (that's what I do for a
What a real shame ! Hoefully some of those fustrated users will ove to linux instead. Once they thye use it for a while hopefully they will stay. Once some of the main developer software houses come out with linux rad / programing tools , this should eas up some what on the application level. ie Borland on linux , Delhi , C/C++ , and a REAL VCL library in a fourth gen language (Delphi) could realy be a sleeper app that could give visual Basic a run for its money. Especialy a VCL based Visual basic clone (delphi / borland are you listing ?) Now that you know it wont run Win2K just laod linux on it. At 09:40 PM 5/30/2000 -0700, Don Edwards wrote: living...)
But Office 2000 install locked up early in the process, having done
essentially
nothing.
Visual Studio installed, everything except SQL Server. Kind of hard to do much N-tier without a database server.
So, what do I have this box for?
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From: Samy Elashmawy [mailto:samelash@ix.netcom.com]
Hi,
Once some of the main developer software houses come out with linux rad / programing tools , this should eas up some what on the application level.
ie Borland on linux , Delhi , C/C++ , and a REAL VCL library in a fourth gen language (Delphi) could realy be a sleeper app that could give visual Basic a run for its money. Especialy a VCL based Visual basic clone (delphi / borland are you listing ?)
They already have. Delphi and C++Builder for Linux (code name Kylix) will
be released later this year. They are currently in closed beta, but the
Borland crew are currently on a 'round the world' tour giving demos of the
Delphi version. For what I have seen at the demos and read on the web site
(community.borland.com), they are going to do be very exciting. Code is
going to be nearly portable across platforms (unless you use windows or
Linux specific stuff like API's/COM etc.), full support for CORBA, CGI and
Apache modules etc.. Native drivers for the main Linux databases
(Interbase, mySQL and maybe Oracle etc.). There will also be a new version
of the VCL (CLX) that will, in version 1, use QT, that will be available
both for the Linux and Windows versions to allow even better portability
between platforms. The Linux versions will also have an IDE 'as close as is
possible' to the windows versions. There will also be a full implementation
of Delphi's Object Pascal language including interfaces etc.
There have certainly been some very encouraging noises from the beta testers
(they are under NDA), I personally can't wait.
Cheers
Phil Shrimpton
------------------------------
Project JEDI DCOM Team Captain
Project JEDI Library Team
At 05:48 PM 5/31/2000 +0100, Phil Shrimpton wrote:
From: Samy Elashmawy [mailto:samelash@ix.netcom.com]
Hi,
Once some of the main developer software houses come out with linux rad / programing tools , this should eas up some what on the application level.
ie Borland on linux , Delhi , C/C++ , and a REAL VCL library in a fourth gen language (Delphi) could realy be a sleeper app that could give visual Basic a run for its money. Especialy a VCL based Visual basic clone (delphi / borland are you listing ?)
Its like waiting for the ice cream truck to coem around the corner after school. You just cant keep still waiting for it to show up.
They already have. Delphi and C++Builder for Linux (code name Kylix) will be released later this year. They are currently in closed beta, but the Borland crew are currently on a 'round the world' tour giving demos of the Delphi version. For what I have seen at the demos and read on the web site (community.borland.com), they are going to do be very exciting. Code is going to be nearly portable across platforms (unless you use windows or Linux specific stuff like API's/COM etc.), full support for CORBA, CGI and Apache modules etc.. Native drivers for the main Linux databases (Interbase, mySQL and maybe Oracle etc.). There will also be a new version of the VCL (CLX) that will, in version 1, use QT, that will be available both for the Linux and Windows versions to allow even better portability between platforms. The Linux versions will also have an IDE 'as close as is possible' to the windows versions. There will also be a full implementation of Delphi's Object Pascal language including interfaces etc.
There have certainly been some very encouraging noises from the beta testers (they are under NDA), I personally can't wait.
Cheers
Phil Shrimpton ------------------------------ Project JEDI DCOM Team Captain Project JEDI Library Team
Registered Linux User #155621
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