On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:50:18 -0600 Victor Antonio Chávez de Anda wrote:

there is a opened thread with that problem, check it in http://lists.opensuse.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=google+earth&advanced.x=5&advanced.y=8&advanced=yes&list=opensuse

Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

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Hi all,

I am facing a peculiar problem with GoogleEarth in 10.3. It restarts X whenever it is started. Can anybody give me any clue about what might be happening?

Bikram

Make sure that you have 3D rendering enabled. JAY VOLLMER JVOLLMER@VISI.COM TEXT REFS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD SELFTHINK VERGING CRIMETHINK IGNORE FULLWISE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 06 March 2008 01:29:25 pm Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

How can I get more info.. X crashes every time I try starting it, even from the command console, and takes me to login screen. And you know what, it used to work great for me in old 10.2... what might have gone wrong?

Did you updated your 10.3 including video driver? -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 06 March 2008 08:49:14 pm Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Thursday 06 March 2008 01:29:25 pm Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

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How can I get more info.. X crashes every time I try starting it, even from the command console, and takes me to login screen. And you know what, it used to work great for me in old 10.2... what might have gone wrong?

Did you updated your 10.3 including video driver?

Hi Ken, Jey ans Rajko,

I am total newbie, so it would be great for me with a bit more explanation.

How to turn compiz off? I tried ps but there is no compiz. Will a simple "googleearth > log.txt" will do for capturing error? How to check in 10.3 whether my video driver is updated or not?

Thanks, Bikram

There was some problem like the one that you described, but updates solved it. zypper up should bring your system up to date. Though, some information about your system would be useful to prevent tapping in the dark. Can you post output of: lspci and hwinfo --gfxcard For compiz I'm not sure, I stopped to use it, but you can see in YaST Software Management is it installed. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 08 March 2008 11:20:16 am Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

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Though, some information about your system would be useful to prevent tapping in the dark. Can you post output of: lspci and hwinfo --gfxcard

# lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) ....

# hwinfo --gfxcard 25: PCI 02.0: 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA) [Created at pci.301] UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_8086_2772 Unique ID: _Znp.LY4ZTxagn27 SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:00:02.0 Hardware Class: graphics card Model: "Intel 945G" Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation" Device: pci 0x2772 "945G" SubVendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation" SubDevice: pci 0x4c43 Revision: 0x02 Memory Range: 0x50100000-0x5017ffff (rw,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0x20e0-0x20e7 (rw) Memory Range: 0x40000000-0x4fffffff (rw,prefetchable) Memory Range: 0x50180000-0x501bffff (rw,non-prefetchable) IRQ: 11 (no events) I/O Ports: 0x3c0-0x3df (rw) Module Alias: "pci:v00008086d00002772sv00008086sd00004C43bc03sc00i00" Driver Info #0: XFree86 v4 Server Module: intel Driver Info #1: XFree86 v4 Server Module: intel 3D Support: yes Extensions: dri Config Status: cfg=no, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

Primary display adapter: #25

Also: # uname -a Linux BikramSuSE 2.6.24.3-default #1 SMP Fri Mar 7 01:40:59 IST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

This might be: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=303952 I guess that: zypper up which will install update patches should fix the issue. The workaround is: Load "dri" present in /etc/X11/xorg.conf : Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "type1" Load "freetype" Load "extmod" Load "glx" EndSection This is mine and it works without. Also check permissions: Section "DRI" Group "video" Mode 0660 EndSection -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 10 March 2008 09:05:42 pm Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

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This might be: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=303952

I guess that: zypper up which will install update patches should fix the issue. The workaround is: Load "dri" present in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :

Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "type1" Load "freetype" Load "extmod" Load "glx" EndSection

This is mine and it works without. Also check permissions:

Section "DRI" Group "video" Mode 0660 EndSection

Module and DRI looks identical as you have posted. Only Modules are mentioned in a different order. Does that matter?

No. It doesn't. What happened with command 'zypper up'? Have you updated system? Have you included Load "dri" like this: Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "type1" Load "freetype" Load "extmod" Load "glx" Load "dri" EndSection Does that change anything? -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 10 March 2008 10:32:14 pm Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

Thanks to all... It worked.

Good.

Just to follow up...

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What happened with command 'zypper up'? Have you updated system?

zypper up -- is telling that nothing new to update

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Have you included Load "dri" like this:

Section "Module" Load "dbe" Load "type1" Load "freetype" Load "extmod" Load "glx" Load "dri" EndSection

Does that change anything?

Bingo. That was the lost magic.

Well, bugreport https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=303952 is about Intell graphic adapters, but it affected nvidia as well. It is still opened for Intel, but it seems solved for nvida cards (like mine)as they don't need Load "dri" anymore to have proper 3D. Anyway, have a fun. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 March 2008 12:18:45 pm Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

I am just curious. But as GE used to work on 10.2 the dri option must be there. I have just updated to 10.3; does SuSE updates rewrites xorg.conf?

I can't say as it is long time since I updated system to new version and I'm not openSUSE Xorg insider, so I'm missing practical or theoretical knowledge. I think that it should be conditional process. If changes in X server (Xorg) require to change xorg.conf, as old options will be misinterpreted and prevent Xorg from start, it will be changed, otherwise not. The 'dri' option might be in for 10.2, though, so far I recall some changes in Xorg used in 10.3 required driver update or 'dri' as workaround. My laptop with ATI X200 requires 'dri' loaded. It seems that only nvidia solved the problem. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte wrote:

On Saturday 08 March 2008 09:20:16 am Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

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Though, some information about your system would be useful to prevent tapping in the dark. Can you post output of: lspci and hwinfo --gfxcard

Though this may seem off topic, it isn't.

Can you go into the menu > applications > games and - if you have it - launch planet penguin racer? I think it is listed as "Racing Game."

That should see if your 3D is working in general.

Or, more simply, run the command glxgears Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte wrote:

On Saturday 08 March 2008 10:49:42 am Joe Sloan wrote:

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Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 08 March 2008 09:20:16 am Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

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Though, some information about your system would be useful to prevent tapping in the dark. Can you post output of: lspci and hwinfo --gfxcard Though this may seem off topic, it isn't.

Can you go into the menu > applications > games and - if you have it - launch planet penguin racer? I think it is listed as "Racing Game."

That should see if your 3D is working in general. Or, more simply, run the command glxgears

But then you don't get to race teh penguin! :P

Oddly enough, I got the following error when running glxgears...

kai@xwing:~> glxgears XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 37 requests (36 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

That's weird - was there any graphical result? did it stop suddenly and give the error, or did you get the error when you ended the program? Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte wrote:

On Saturday 08 March 2008 01:09:05 pm Joe Sloan wrote:

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Oddly enough, I got the following error when running glxgears...

kai@xwing:~> glxgears XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 37 requests (36 known processed) with 0 events remaining. That's weird - was there any graphical result? did it stop suddenly and give the error, or did you get the error when you ended the program?

It were when I ended the program.

In that case, I get the same sort of indication if I kill the window where glxgears is running. OTOH if I stop it with a CTRL-C in the console, there is no error on exit. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 08 March 2008 11:03:03 pm Basil Chupin wrote:

Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 08 March 2008 01:09:05 pm Joe Sloan wrote:

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Oddly enough, I got the following error when running glxgears...

kai@xwing:~> glxgears XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 37 requests (36 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

That's weird - was there any graphical result? did it stop suddenly and give the error, or did you get the error when you ended the program?

It were when I ended the program.

Not something I'm too concerned about since I've yet to run glxgears until now, but interesting none the less.

Something has gone haywire because of some upgrades in the past 2 days (at least).

glxgears is no longer working (I get an error message along the lines that Xorg doesn't contain it, or some such) and my system has slowed down to the point where I went to the Performance Monitor a short time ago and found that Xorg was using up ~93% of my CPU.

I also found that when I go to Yast (or even Configure Desktop) and bring up the details for my monitor, I get a message saying that 3-D is not available because "Your X server is using Rand R extension at 1.2 or greater which doesn't have any configuration yet". What the hell is this supposed to mean?! I've had 3-D for years (with my nVidia card and driver) - and looking at what "RandR" is about doesn't mean a fig to me.

Instead of going forward I feel that some parts of openSUSE are going backwards.

Ciao.

What you have as graphic adapter? sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-171.05-pkg1.run and reboot seems to solve the problem with nvidias. (for anti-reboot guys: I know how to unload old and load new kernel driver) I have no idea when driver version 169.12 was available as I keep Nvidia repository on manual refresh, but yesterday I updated driver and got no Xorg at all. Luckily they seem to have found goofup and have never driver, though, as shell script. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Saturday 08 March 2008 11:03:03 pm Basil Chupin wrote:

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Kai Ponte

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Something has gone haywire because of some upgrades in the past 2 days (at least).

glxgears is no longer working (I get an error message along the lines that Xorg doesn't contain it, or some such) and my system has slowed down to the point where I went to the Performance Monitor a short time ago and found that Xorg was using up ~93% of my CPU.

I also found that when I go to Yast (or even Configure Desktop) and bring up the details for my monitor, I get a message saying that 3-D is not available because "Your X server is using Rand R extension at 1.2 or greater which doesn't have any configuration yet". What the hell is this supposed to mean?! I've had 3-D for years (with my nVidia card and driver) - and looking at what "RandR" is about doesn't mean a fig to me.

Instead of going forward I feel that some parts of openSUSE are going backwards.

Ciao.

What you have as graphic adapter?

sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-171.05-pkg1.run and reboot seems to solve the problem with nvidias. (for anti-reboot guys: I know how to unload old and load new kernel driver)

I have no idea when driver version 169.12 was available as I keep Nvidia repository on manual refresh, but yesterday I updated driver and got no Xorg at all. Luckily they seem to have found goofup and have never driver, though, as shell script.

I have gone back to 169.07 (from .12) and now glxgears work and Xorg no longer uses up some 97% of CPU. Also, I am now able to Ctrl-Alt-F3 and not get logged out to the Switch User login menu. (BTW, zypper is a damn big CPU hog - can take up to 98% of the CPU! Sheesh!) Ciao. -- It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 09 March 2008 07:10:42 pm Basil Chupin wrote:

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I have gone back to 169.07 (from .12) and now glxgears work and Xorg no longer uses up some 97% of CPU. Also, I am now able to Ctrl-Alt-F3 and not get logged out to the Switch User login menu.

Good.

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(BTW, zypper is a damn big CPU hog - can take up to 98% of the CPU! Sheesh!)

For how long? You don't want package menagement to hang around for hours using 2% of CPU time.

Best way is to see for yourself- start up the Monitor and then start zypper. smart takes a few seconds or so to check for upgrades; zypper goes on and on and on..... but not at 97% for all this time (the % varies up and down). Ciao. -- It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 09 March 2008 10:11:04 pm Basil Chupin wrote: ...

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Best way is to see for yourself- start up the Monitor and then start zypper.

smart takes a few seconds or so to check for upgrades; zypper goes on and on and on..... but not at 97% for all this time (the % varies up and down).

Best way is to forget complains as current zypper and YaST in factory is way faster than in 10.3, and developers are not done with improvements.

Well, that is not much of a recommendation- a snail is faster than zypper! But how does it compare to smart? Ciao. -- A Short Fairy Tale. One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who, surprisingly, did not whine, nag, or bitch... But this was a long time ago... And, it was only for just one day. The End -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M. wrote:

On Sunday 09 March 2008 10:58:23 pm Basil Chupin wrote:

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Best way is to forget complains as current zypper and YaST in factory is way faster than in 10.3, and developers are not done with improvements.

Well, that is not much of a recommendation- a snail is faster than zypper!

But how does it compare to smart?

I didn't use Smart for a while, but if you install factory (on some spare computer or VirtualBox) you are going to see pleasant surprise. So far I recall Smart speed, zypper is at least at the same level, and it will be better.

Promises, promises, promises. It all sounds like a PR blurb which M$ can come up with. I'll believe it when I see it - provided, of course, I'll be able to even install the next version of openSUSE (within the first 3 months of it being made available, that is). :-) Ciao. -- A Short Fairy Tale. One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who, surprisingly, did not whine, nag, or bitch... But this was a long time ago... And, it was only for just one day. The End -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Benji Weber wrote:

On 10/03/2008, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I'll believe it when I see it - provided, of course, I'll be able to even install the next version of openSUSE (within the first 3 months of it being made available, that is).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3o4Skka5Q

I don't use YouTube. YouTube is owned by Google. I don't use Google. Ciao. -- A Short Fairy Tale. One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who, surprisingly, did not whine, nag, or bitch... But this was a long time ago... And, it was only for just one day. The End -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Kai Ponte [03-10-08 10:20]:

For smart I have two cron jobs smart update and smart upgrade. Then for the zypper thingy, I have zypper -v refresh.

Seems to work.

or you could do it with one: smart upgrade --update -y -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 09 March 2008 17:10, Basil Chupin wrote:

... (BTW, zypper is a damn big CPU hog - can take up to 98% of the CPU! Sheesh!)

So... When you get in line at the bank, the cinema, the market check-out, you periodically let someone behind you go ahead of you? Programs use CPU until they've completed the computations they must do. It's up to the OS to aportion CPU resources to competing processes. The only thing that reduces a given program's CPU consumption below 100% is the invocation of I/O operations that cannot be immediately satisfied. That, and sleeping... Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 09 March 2008 20:24, Basil Chupin wrote:

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Programs use CPU until they've completed the computations they must do. It's up to the OS to aportion CPU resources to competing processes.

The only thing that reduces a given program's CPU consumption below 100% is the invocation of I/O operations that cannot be immediately satisfied. That, and sleeping...

So, is this why when I am watching TV and zypper kicks in I get a stuttering/jumping image? If so, I'm heaving zypper out the window.

I know nothing of zypper in particular, but the same would be true of any CPU-intensive application whose nice and / or ionice settings were not adjusted relative to those of more sensitive applications. And why are you running zypper while watching TV??

Ciao.

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On Monday 10 March 2008 01:14, Basil Chupin wrote:

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zypper runs by itself according to the default settings when 10.3 was installed.

I don't think it would be reasonable for openSUSE to choose defaults that catered to installations used for the purpose of TV software. So you could change those default settings to something that works for you. Or run your TV software with elevated priority. Or both. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

My Sax2 is not showing 3D enabled, the chechbox is disabled is that may be the reason? how to overcome that? On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 10 March 2008 01:14, Basil Chupin wrote:

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zypper runs by itself according to the default settings when 10.3 was installed.

I don't think it would be reasonable for openSUSE to choose defaults that catered to installations used for the purpose of TV software.

So you could change those default settings to something that works for you. Or run your TV software with elevated priority. Or both.

Randall Schulz

Thanks. Good idea about the priorities. Will reset and see how it all pans out.

Ciao.

-- A Short Fairy Tale.

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who, surprisingly, did not whine, nag, or bitch...

But this was a long time ago...

And, it was only for just one day.

The End

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Basil Chupin wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Sunday 09 March 2008 17:10, Basil Chupin wrote:

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... (BTW, zypper is a damn big CPU hog - can take up to 98% of the CPU! Sheesh!)

So... When you get in line at the bank, the cinema, the market check-out, you periodically let someone behind you go ahead of you?

Of course. I was brought up to be polite and obliging.

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Programs use CPU until they've completed the computations they must do. It's up to the OS to aportion CPU resources to competing processes.

The only thing that reduces a given program's CPU consumption below 100% is the invocation of I/O operations that cannot be immediately satisfied. That, and sleeping...

So, is this why when I am watching TV and zypper kicks in I get a stuttering/jumping image? If so, I'm heaving zypper out the window.

In a case like that, renice zypper to -20, so that your TV-watching process is always considered more important.

Ciao.

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On Monday 10 March 2008 23:17, Sam Clemens wrote:

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Well, you're definitely trying harder, this time. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Joe Sloan wrote:

Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 08 March 2008 09:20:16 am Bikram Chatterjee wrote:

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Though, some information about your system would be useful to prevent tapping in the dark. Can you post output of: lspci and hwinfo --gfxcard

Though this may seem off topic, it isn't.

Can you go into the menu > applications > games and - if you have it - launch planet penguin racer? I think it is listed as "Racing Game."

That should see if your 3D is working in general.

Or, more simply, run the command glxgears

glxgears runs fine. I see three gears rotating in a small window. What next?

Joe

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How many FPS? Are the gears turning silky smooth, or jerky? If it's running smooth and fast, that means you have hardware enabled 3D acceleration working, and we can check that off the list.

It is running smooth and fast. The log on console says: 5122 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1021.312 FPS 5140 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1026.284 FPS 5140 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1025.297 FPS 5140 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1026.422 FPS 5140 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1025.964 FPS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org