On 11/14/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">J Sloan</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:joe@tmsusa.com">joe@tmsusa.com</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Thank you for your opinion. </blockquote><div><br>it's not an <a href="http://opinion.it">opinion.it</a> a fact based on my own personal observation. i really have not met anyone who deplyed SLES. up here Novell have these free seminars that IT guys go to because, well its free, the food is better than other lamo vendors seminars and the give out freebies. anyways, if you go to these things long enough, you start to see the same guys like you going to them for the food and the feebies. and you get to chat a bit. naturally, all these guys work/worked in NetWare shops. None of these guys' companies bought Novells Linux product yet. 
<br>&nbsp;</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Opinions, however, are no substitute for<br>actual facts. Let's face it, by your own admission, you're a windoze
<br>specialist, who occasionally tinkers with linux.</blockquote><div><br>Not a windows specialist. Just an IT guy who consults on the side and I don't turn down jobs.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I have been a full-time unix admin for over 12 years. I work for a<br>fortune 100 company, and I've done consulting with small and medium<br>businesses on the side for over 10 years.<br><br>I introduced linux to this company back in the 1990s, as I set up
<br>slackware, then redhat boxes, as secondary mail/dns, and also introduced<br> the big brother monitoring system on linux. Eventually linux took over<br>as primary and secondary smtp and dns servers, as well as taking on ftp
<br>and time services. For years we used redhat, but migrated everything<br>over to Novell/SuSE in 2004, while also migrating more infrastructure<br>from hpux and solaris over to Novell SLES. The change has been good,<br>
with increased uptime and availability of services.</blockquote><div><br>dinky hosts that provide NTP, FTP and nagios I don't personally consider major Linux deployments... but to each their own. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Every one of the businesses that I consult for has uses suse servers -<br>among them a major auto manufacturer, a shipping firm, banks and finance<br>companies and web consultants, and I'm happy to report that I'm simply<br>
not seeing anything like the gloomy picture you paint.<br><br>One finance company started out with just a linux smtp gateway for their<br>windoze shop, but have since added linux dns servers, web proxy,<br>firewall, vpn server, and have migrated their websites from
<br>microsoft/iis to linux/apache/j2ee. They were originally on red hat but<br>have moved to suse.</blockquote><div><br>Fine. I will take your word for it and assume you are not BS'ing. I guess were you live Novell do a better job selling. You aren't based out of Provo, Utah are you? ;-)
<br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>jjgitties,<br><br>&quot;*We* need to convince OpenSUSE to fork, or let 'em die. To bad, it is a wonderful Distro. But their parent company is NOT our friend.&quot;