From maqish@wish.net Fri Mar 17 19:09:34 2000
From: maqish@wish.net
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Subject: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:09:34 +0100
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People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os b=
ut not as Server...
why would that be??
maqish
People are always complaining about suse bee=
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perfect as a workstation os but not as Server...
why would that be??
maqish
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From dahlqvist@sundsvall.mail.telia.com Fri Mar 17 19:50:27 2000
From: dahlqvist@sundsvall.mail.telia.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:50:27 +0000
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Please be more specific.
Who are "people" and how often is "always"?
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why would that be??
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From jbarnett@axil.netmate.com Fri Mar 17 20:30:50 2000
From: jbarnett@axil.netmate.com
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Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:30:50 -0600
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: maqish
>To: SuSE Linux Mailing List
>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 1:09 PM
>Subject: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
>
>People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os
but not as Server...
>why would that be??
>
>maqish
>
>
Because the word 'Server' is clearly defined. I don't think most people are
complaing about SuSE as a workstation, but rather debating the differant in
the defination of what exactly is a 'workstation' or 'desktop' computer?
A 'server' is allot easier to define and put into a class, everyone pretty
much agrees what the word 'server' means, the disagrement or debat (IMHO)
comes from a differance in opinion on how the word 'workstation' or
'desktop' is defined.
If I said "SuSE Linux is prefect for 'ALL' *computers* ", differant people
would take the word 'ALL' in the wrong context.
I would surely get emails say "SuSE is *NOT* prefect for 'ALL' *computers*,
it won't even run on my *Sega Dreamcast*, which is _techinally_ 'A'
*computer*"
Some people would assocaite the word 'computer' with 'X86 compatiable
Personal Computer' while other would interput the word 'computer' as 'any
devices that can process binary data'
I don't think there has been really any debat on wheather (SuSE) Linux is a
server OS or not, it was built from the ground up with the primary goal of
being a server class OS, and most agree that it is a decent to very good
server class OS.
Some parts of it (KDE/GNOME/etc) are moving more into making it as "user
freindly" as other OS on the market, and these project (KDE/GNOME/etc)
having be going a really job in making a nice GUI for this server class OS.
Since it's primary role has been "server class OS" there is some confusion
on what exactly is consider a 'workstation' or 'desktop' computer and there
is also confusion about how to tell or judge if (SuSE) Linux is in the
'desktop' or 'workstation' market (if it is not there yet).
I have been watching 2-3 threads for the last 2 weeks regarding 'Linux on
the desktop', and I tried to hold in it, but it just sliped.
I think we need a Linux-HOWTO or Jargon file regarding the meaning of *some*
commonly used words, it seems everyone has their own ideas what this $word
means and it can cause (among other things) very crispy fire fights on
boards : )
Maybe have something like
computer[1] - any device that can process data
computer[2] - any X86 Class Personal Computer
computer[3] - any IBM 360/370 mainframe
computer[4] - PDA[3]
computer[5] - any computer that physically sits on a desk
computer[6] - etc, etc....
That way you could use sentances like "SuSE Linux will run on most
computers[2]"
: )
J(ust)MHO,
Jack
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From mha@suse.de Fri Mar 17 22:03:40 2000
From: mha@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:03:40 +0100
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, maqish wrote:
> People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os=
but not as Server...
> why would that be??
That's just silly, because we're leading among all distributions with
serious server features, like LVM+journaling reiserfs (first, it has
journaling, second it can grow and shrink during runtime (shrinking only
unmounted) without reformating, so that LVM is actually useful), rawIO,
large memory (4GB) support, and so on. We've more to offer for servers
than anyone else. Plus, we've got the developers to keep doing that, this
is where we spent our money, instead of marketing. Of our 360 people most
are developers, most of them important figures in the open source scene.
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From JerryKreps@alltel.net Fri Mar 17 22:43:40 2000
From: JerryKreps@alltel.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:43:40 -0600
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> maqish wrote:
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> People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as
> a workstation os but not as Server...
> why would that be??
>=20
> maqish
Are you sure you haven't succumbed to M$ FUD?
Such a generic complaint is similar to the question "Yes or
no: have you stopped beating your wife?"
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From marsaro@suse.com Sat Mar 18 05:21:40 2000
From: marsaro@suse.com
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Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:21:40 -0800
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Thanks Micheal, I was looking for the right words. SuSE, as Micheal has
stated is the Linux company that has pushed Linux to Enterprise reality. I
would invite those that are not familiar with the product to look more
closly at the web site. There you will notice that SuSE it active in
development of High Availability, Oracle, and middleware.=20
Regards,
Jon
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, maqish wrote:
>=20
> > People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation =
os but not as Server...
> > why would that be??
>=20
> That's just silly, because we're leading among all distributions with
> serious server features, like LVM+journaling reiserfs (first, it has
> journaling, second it can grow and shrink during runtime (shrinking only
> unmounted) without reformating, so that LVM is actually useful), rawIO,
> large memory (4GB) support, and so on. We've more to offer for servers
> than anyone else. Plus, we've got the developers to keep doing that, this
> is where we spent our money, instead of marketing. Of our 360 people most
> are developers, most of them important figures in the open source scene.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Michael Hasenstein
> http://www.suse.de/~mha/
> Private Pilot (ASEL+aerobatics) since 1998
>=20
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From maqish@wish.net Sat Mar 18 10:25:27 2000
From: maqish@wish.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:25:27 +0100
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ppl on irc challels
Please be more specific.
Who are "people" and how often is "always"?
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People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a
workstation os but not as Server...
why would that be??
maqish
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From bshelton@online-isp.com Sat Mar 18 16:22:55 2000
From: bshelton@online-isp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:22:55 -0500
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On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 08:09:34PM +0100, maqish wrote:
> People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os=
but not as Server...
> why would that be??
It wouldn't.
I use SuSE exclusively on all my servers. You just need to trim it down since=
by
default a lot of workstation applications, which aren't needed, or wanted for
a server, are installed.
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From rmcgaugh@atipa.com Mon Mar 20 20:27:32 2000
From: rmcgaugh@atipa.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [SLE] suse only great as workstation not as server??
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:27:32 -0600
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This is just my personal prefrences, derived from my personal=20
experiances...:)
For a server (meaning 1 or very few servers), i would run debrain or
slackersware. Reasons behind this choice is that both distro's are=20
lean&mean, lightweight, and very straitforward to maintain. An average
server (meaning a dedicated mail, HTTP, FTP, NFS, ect. server) can=20
be installed in 30-50 megs and tuned to extract maximum performance.
The problem for me is, this is only good for a very small number of
servers. The time it takes to tune and maintain and upgrade the systems
soon becomes unbearable. You have a 16 machine web farm and you wanna
upgrade apache+php3 and your running slackware? good luck going
home on time..:)
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Yast is far from perfect, but it is one of the primary reasons i use SuSE.
Actually, its less YaST and more SuSEconfig. i can quickly and easily=20
populate variables in rc.config with scripts accross the network,
run SuSEconfig, and BOOM!, its done.
SuSE's packages are also very well done. Their package maintainers work
very hard to ensure that they work as near perfect as possible. In
general,
you want something installed, it usually works right out of the box. If i=20
need to upgrade apache+php, i 'rpm -U' and touch up the config files
and im done...total time about 2-3 minutes.
im too old to screw with things anymore. when i do something, i want it to
work the first time, quickly, and correctly. I dont have time to screw=20
with smoething for hours on end anymore. This is where SuSE rocks.
anyway...
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> People are always complaining about suse beeing perfect as a workstation os=
but not as Server...
> why would that be??
>=20
> maqish
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