From jpennington@atipa.com Thu Jun 15 15:55:07 2000
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:55:07 -0500
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On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 08:56:52AM -0700, Clinton Rogers wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, has anyone out there had any success with running IE5
> on Wine? As distasteful as this may seem (and it is), I need it for an
> internal page that makes use of some undocumented CSS features that don't
> work with netscape...
It sort of works. Maximum Linux Magazine's latest issue included=20
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Proceed at your own risk.
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone out there had any success with running IE5
on Wine? As distasteful as this may seem (and it is), I need it for an
internal page that makes use of some undocumented CSS features that don't
work with netscape...
More fun with WINE
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From bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au Thu Jun 15 16:03:24 2000
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Clinton Rogers tapped away at the keyboard with:
> Just out of curiosity, has anyone out there had any success with running IE5
> on Wine? As distasteful as this may seem (and it is), I need it for an
> internal page that makes use of some undocumented CSS features that don't
> work with netscape...
Sorry, can't help.. trying to start wine here and it's been busy
chewing up swap for an hour building font metrics. Maybe I should
RTFM!
BTW: w3 *define* what's CSS and fully document it on their web site
(http://www.w3.org). Any other guff is gatesism and can get you into
deep manure with the UN. See the Accessability guidelines at w3.org
and legal liabilities under equal-opportunity legislation which
exist in various forms around the world.
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From toganm@turk.net Fri Jun 16 07:29:33 2000
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:29:33 +0300
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> Clinton Rogers wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity, has anyone out there had any success with
> running IE5 on Wine? As distasteful as this may seem (and it is), I
> need it for an internal page that makes use of some undocumented CSS
> features that don't work with netscape...
Well just curiosity I did run IE5.0 on wine. There were lots of error
messages flying out due to my keyboard layout (due to the fact it is
Turkish keyboard with qwerty layout) beig unable to be recognized by
wine lots of temp file write permission errors (OK I mounted the windows
partion RO) CP 1254 being not found (OK this Windows Turkish).
I had a dialup connection established from Suse Linux and IE could surf
the net yet looks extremely ugly (maybe due to my 1600x1200 desktop).
So quite not sure if this is what you are looking into the answer is It
does run.
hope it helps
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From uabdulahad@prti.com.au Fri Jun 16 07:47:53 2000
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Subject: [SLE] How long .....
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:47:53 +1000
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Hello,
I might actually get kicked out of this mail-group for this irrelevant
question..........but just a thought.....
...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
answering question on a mailing list like this ??
Umer
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From sneep@nat.vu.nl Fri Jun 16 07:48:33 2000
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Depending on you having any answers: no time at all, or eternity :-)
Depends on the problems you solve for yourself. If you're confident that you
solved a problem someone else has, you can give him or her your solution. At
their option they can try it, or discard it altogether.
On 16-Jun-00 Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
# Hello,
# =20
# I might actually get kicked out of this mail-group for this irrelevant
# question..........but just a thought.....
# =20
# ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
# answering question on a mailing list like this ??
# =20
# Umer
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From gaf@gaf.ne.mediaone.net Fri Jun 16 11:12:22 2000
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You do not need to be a guru to answer a question. Sometimes a beginner may=20
be able to answer a question in better terms than an expert, because the=20
beginner can relate better. The bottom line is that if a question is asked=20
that you can answer succintly and correctly, then answer it.
Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
> ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
> answering question on a mailing list like this ??
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From vcardona@home.com Fri Jun 16 12:28:23 2000
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:28:23 -0500
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On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 05:47:53PM +1000, Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
> ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
> answering question on a mailing list like this ??
You don't need to be a guru. Just learn how to do some stuff, that you would =
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might be able to help them.
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From jpennington@atipa.com Fri Jun 16 14:37:23 2000
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:37:23 -0500
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On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 05:47:53PM +1000, Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
> ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
> answering question on a mailing list like this ??
When you get over the fact that you don't know everything, and start to=20
help people in spite of your own trepidation, you become an asset.=20
Gurus are rare and precious. I work with true gurus (PERL gods, NFS=20
wizards, and the like), but I listen carefully when they talk and take=20
in all that I can. When somebody asks a question, I think about all of=20
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From landie@concentric.net Fri Jun 16 15:01:11 2000
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when mr Jon speak you guys shall listen.
RR
On
Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Jon Pennington wrote: > On
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 05:47:53PM +1000, Umer
Abdul Ahad wrote: > > > ...........How long
should it take a starter to become a guru
and start > > answering question on a
mailing list like this ?? > > When you get
over the fact that you don't know
everything, and start to > help people in
spite of your own trepidation, you become an
asset. > Gurus are rare and precious. I
work with true gurus (PERL gods, NFS >
wizards, and the like), but I listen
carefully when they talk and take > in all
that I can. When somebody asks a question,
I think about all of > the things I've
learned in the last five years, and consider
the problem > they are having. If I have a
solution that has worked for me or sounds >
like it *might* work for them, I give my
account and advice. Once in a > while, I
get one right :). > > -- > -=3D|JP|=3D- =20
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From toganm@turk.net Fri Jun 16 15:03:46 2000
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:03:46 +0300
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Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
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> ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
> answering question on a mailing list like this ??
I personally don't think time is the critical factor here. You could be
sitting in front of your PC and just stare at it. The question could be
what are you capable of doing with the system.=20
Practice makes it perfect.
Secondly what does guru mean:
A teacher or leader regarded as having special knowledge, powers etc
Under this definition I would place Linus Torvalds since he had a vision
when initianting Linux (I go for the leader approach).
Hope the answer helps
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From bshelton-applix@online-isp.com Fri Jun 16 16:03:36 2000
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:03:36 -0400
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On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 05:47:53PM +1000, Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
> Hello,
>=20
> I might actually get kicked out of this mail-group for this irrelevant
> question..........but just a thought.....
>=20
> ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
> answering question on a mailing list like this ??
Experience is a teacher. When you have experienced something, you are
qualified, to some degree or other, to share it with others because it is
your experience.
Guru?... In the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid.
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From genz1968@mtu-net.ru Fri Jun 16 18:23:02 2000
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:23:02 +0400
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Hello,
I'm not guru, yet I have a HylaFax HOW-TO posted on the www.hylafax.o=
rg
site and I have a xfsft HOW-TO posted. Others helped me, and I simply
documented my work, so others could see what I did.
George
Fri, 16 Jun 2000, =C3=B7=C3=99 =C3=8E=C3=81=C3=90=C3=89=C3=93=C3=81=C3=8C=C3=
=89:
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> that you can answer succintly and correctly, then answer it.
> Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
> > ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and start
> > answering question on a mailing list like this ??
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From dsoper@clipper.net Sat Jun 17 06:01:15 2000
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:01:15 -0700
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On 16 Jun 2000, at 17:47, Umer Abdul Ahad wrote:
> ...........How long should it take a starter to become a guru and
> start answering question on a mailing list like this ??
That depends-- here's a for instance....
The first linux install I did was with Red Hat 4.2 and the X=20
configuration tool didn't work with my graphics card. So I got out=20
_Running Linux_ and learned how to configure X by hand. Now,=20
when someone else had the same problem with that card, I could=20
tell them exactly what they needed to do to get it to work.
Today I learned what I had done wrong trying to get WordPerfect 8=20
running on 6.4, so if someone else has the problem I can share the=20
answer. The point is that with linux everyone can learn something=20
about their system and share what they know, and that's the true=20
beauty of the whole thing.
BTW, you've picked the best English-speaking linux list in the=20
world, so you're off to a good start....
Enjoy,
Dennis
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