From vidor@home.se Thu Jan 20 06:24:51 2000 From: vidor@home.se To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:24:51 +0100 Message-ID: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3166627029324979773==" --===============3166627029324979773== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks! I'm working with a project about programing. One of questions is 'what do you need in order=20 to be a good programer?'.=20 Have you some opinion about it??? / Vidor --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============3166627029324979773==-- From grtoft@yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 07:34:52 2000 From: grtoft@yahoo.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:34:52 -1000 Message-ID: <3886BA9C.A1CE1F80@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3303570504120107237==" --===============3303570504120107237== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vidor Demeter wrote: >=20 > Hi Folks! >=20 > I'm working with a project about programing. > One of questions is 'what do you need in order > to be a good programer?'. * The ability to break a problem down into painfully small pieces. * Extreme focus. * Ability to analyze multiple solutions and evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of each, and choose the best solution. * Humility and social skills - NOT! --=20 George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============3303570504120107237==-- From didierj@club-internet.fr Thu Jan 20 09:06:09 2000 From: didierj@club-internet.fr To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:06:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3886D001.AB16D6F0@club-internet.fr> In-Reply-To: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4848158460701128714==" --===============4848158460701128714== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Vidor Demeter a écrit: > Hi Folks! > > I'm working with a project about programing. > One of questions is 'what do you need in order > to be a good programer?'. > Have you some opinion about it??? > > Beer & pizzas ? Vidor Demeter a écrit:
Hi Folks! I'm working with a project about programing. One of questions is 'what do you need in order to be a good programer?'. Have you some opinion about it???
Beer & pizzas ? --===============4848158460701128714==-- From zentara@gypsyfarm.com Thu Jan 20 10:17:35 2000 From: zentara@gypsyfarm.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:17:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3886E0BF.EEBAC705@gypsyfarm.com> In-Reply-To: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2591725383769813042==" --===============2591725383769813042== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vidor Demeter wrote: >=20 > Hi Folks! >=20 > I'm working with a project about programing. > One of questions is 'what do you need in order > to be a good programer?'. > Have you some opinion about it??? You need to be able to mathematically model real life situations. Then it is just a matter of implementing the model in the language which you need to use. You also need to be a "stickler" for punctuation and syntax. --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============2591725383769813042==-- From kkellum@pacbell.net Thu Jan 20 13:17:42 2000 From: kkellum@pacbell.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:17:42 -0800 Message-ID: <00012005210200.00404@Alonzo> In-Reply-To: <3886E0BF.EEBAC705@gypsyfarm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4280743383053144906==" --===============4280743383053144906== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend of mine who's a PhD Computer Scientist says that the reason programmers are in such short supply is the narrow band of intelligence required: 1. You've got to be pretty damned smart to be a programmer. 2. If you're just a little smarter than that, you'll soon become bored with programming. On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, zentara wrote: > Vidor Demeter wrote: > >=20 > > Hi Folks! > >=20 > > I'm working with a project about programing. > > One of questions is 'what do you need in order > > to be a good programer?'. > > Have you some opinion about it??? >=20 > You need to be able to mathematically model > real life situations. Then it is just a matter > of implementing the model in the language which > you need to use. >=20 > You also need to be a "stickler" for punctuation > and syntax. >=20 > --=20 > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --=20 Kenneth R. Kellum -- San Jose State University A scientific random survey demonstrating the value of a university education: Linus Torvalds: Has a degree. Bill Gates: Does not. --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============4280743383053144906==-- From rmcgaugh@atipa.com Thu Jan 20 14:56:25 2000 From: rmcgaugh@atipa.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:56:25 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8147098252568679222==" --===============8147098252568679222== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 CgoKaSdkIHNheSBwcm9ncmFtbWVycyBhcmUgYm9ybiwgYW5kIG5vdCBtYWRlLgoKaSBjYW4gcHJv Z3JhbSBpbiBzZXZlcmFsIGxhbmd1YWdlcywgYnV0IGkgYW0gaW4gbm8gd2F5IGEgcHJvZ3JhbW1l ci4KCgotLSAKPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09ClJvY2t5IE1jR2F1Z2ggICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIEF0aXBhIExpbnV4IFNvbHV0aW9ucwpMaW51eCBTeXN0ZW1zIEVu Z2luZWVyICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIHd3dy5hdGlwYS5jb20K cm9ja3koYSlzbWx1Yy5vcmcgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBy bWNnYXVnaChhKWF0aXBhLmNvbQo9PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KCk9uIFRodSwgMjAgSmFuIDIwMDAs IFZpZG9yIERlbWV0ZXIgd3JvdGU6Cgo+IEhpIEZvbGtzIQo+IAo+IEknbSB3b3JraW5nIHdpdGgg YSBwcm9qZWN0IGFib3V0IHByb2dyYW1pbmcuCj4gT25lIG9mIHF1ZXN0aW9ucyBpcyAnd2hhdCBk byB5b3UgbmVlZCBpbiBvcmRlciAKPiB0byBiZSBhIGdvb2QgcHJvZ3JhbWVyPycuIAo+IEhhdmUg eW91IHNvbWUgb3BpbmlvbiBhYm91dCBpdD8/Pwo+IAo+IC8gVmlkb3IKPiAKPiAKPiAKCi0tIApU byB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSBzZW5kIGUtbWFpbCB0byBzdXNlLWxpbnV4LWUtdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUoYSlz dXNlLmNvbQpGb3IgYWRkaXRpb25hbCBjb21tYW5kcyBzZW5kIGUtbWFpbCB0byBzdXNlLWxpbnV4 LWUtaGVscChhKXN1c2UuY29tICAgICAgICAgICAgIApBbHNvIGNoZWNrIHRoZSBGQVEgYXQgaHR0 cDovL3d3dy5zdXNlLmNvbS9TdXBwb3J0L0Rva3UvRkFRLwoK --===============8147098252568679222==-- From samelash@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 20 15:09:35 2000 From: samelash@ix.netcom.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:09:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000120150935.010ea638@popd.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6638750551790397580==" --===============6638750551790397580== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Patience , patience , and more patience=20 A 17 inch moniter , Lots off cool tools to do every thing for you (just kidding on that one) and lots of coffee/Coke/pepsi At 07:24 AM 1/20/2000 +0100, Vidor Demeter wrote: >Hi Folks! > >I'm working with a project about programing. >One of questions is 'what do you need in order=20 >to be a good programer?'.=20 >Have you some opinion about it??? > >/ Vidor > > >--=20 >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com =20 >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ > > --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============6638750551790397580==-- From samelash@ix.netcom.com Thu Jan 20 15:17:38 2000 From: samelash@ix.netcom.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:17:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000120151738.010e2484@popd.ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <00012005210200.00404@Alonzo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1792607540908284656==" --===============1792607540908284656== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did any one see the artical in the N.Y. Times about the study thAt found that mmost inept peaple beleve they are not inept , but actualy believe they are good at what they do. It seems that the inept have no idea they are inept unless told they are so.=20 At 05:17 AM 1/20/2000 -0800, Kenneth Kellum wrote: >A friend of mine who's a PhD Computer Scientist says that the reason >programmers are in such short supply is the narrow band of intelligence >required: > >1. You've got to be pretty damned smart to be a programmer. > >2. If you're just a little smarter than that, you'll soon become bored with >programming. > >On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, zentara wrote: >> Vidor Demeter wrote: >> >=20 >> > Hi Folks! >> >=20 >> > I'm working with a project about programing. >> > One of questions is 'what do you need in order >> > to be a good programer?'. >> > Have you some opinion about it??? >>=20 >> You need to be able to mathematically model >> real life situations. Then it is just a matter >> of implementing the model in the language which >> you need to use. >>=20 >> You also need to be a "stickler" for punctuation >> and syntax. >>=20 >> --=20 >> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com >> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com =20 >> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ >--=20 >Kenneth R. Kellum -- San Jose State University > >A scientific random survey demonstrating the value of >a university education: > >Linus Torvalds: Has a degree. >Bill Gates: Does not. > >--=20 >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com =20 >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ > > --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============1792607540908284656==-- From genz1968@mtu-net.ru Thu Jan 20 19:32:58 2000 From: genz1968@mtu-net.ru To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:32:58 +0300 Message-ID: <00012022334302.00373@host-name> In-Reply-To: <3886BA9C.A1CE1F80@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3358949152532642041==" --===============3358949152532642041== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, > * Humility and social skills - NOT! That's funny. Georg --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============3358949152532642041==-- From ahenry@cusa.dyndns.org Fri Jan 21 19:57:49 2000 From: ahenry@cusa.dyndns.org To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: <20000121145749.A9994@cusa.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000120150935.010ea638@popd.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7928950722031320098==" --===============7928950722031320098== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A clear logical image of what you want the program to do. Experience that tells you the best way you should do it. Patience to turn it into something which could be described as "quality". but I am not a programmer. On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 03:09:35PM +0000, Samy Elashmawy wrote: > Patience , patience , and more patience=20 >=20 > A 17 inch moniter , Lots off cool tools to do every thing for you (just > kidding on that one) and lots of coffee/Coke/pepsi >=20 >=20 > At 07:24 AM 1/20/2000 +0100, Vidor Demeter wrote: > >Hi Folks! > > > >I'm working with a project about programing. > >One of questions is 'what do you need in order=20 > >to be a good programer?'.=20 > >Have you some opinion about it??? > > > >/ Vidor > > > > > >--=20 > >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > =20 > >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ > > > > >=20 > --=20 > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ >=20 --=20 [-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- adam j henry =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D] | [http: www.heidelberg.edu/~ahenry] [pgp: 0x92B1EDF5] | | [mailto: ahenry(a)heidelberg.edu] [icq: 5794025] | [-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D] --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============7928950722031320098==-- From vidor@home.se Sat Jan 22 18:27:16 2000 From: vidor@home.se To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:27:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001601bf6506$71d5a820$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> In-Reply-To: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7944034861358058149==" --===============7944034861358058149== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thanks to everyone who answered my question. It was very interesting to read all the opinions I have got. It was funny to :) :) My best regards / Vidor ----- Original Message ----- From: Vidor Demeter To: SuSE Linux Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: [SLE] Programers... > Hi Folks! > > I'm working with a project about programing. > One of questions is 'what do you need in order > to be a good programer?'. > Have you some opinion about it??? > > / Vidor > > > -- > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ > --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============7944034861358058149==-- From dickdelp@jps.net Mon Jan 24 05:10:15 2000 From: dickdelp@jps.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 21:10:15 -0800 Message-ID: <388BDEB7.DFB9B550@jps.net> In-Reply-To: <002501bf630f$22827ee0$0200a8c0@ene.home.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1614067756782682625==" --===============1614067756782682625== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vidor Demeter wrote: > Hi Folks! > > I'm working with a project about programing. > One of questions is 'what do you need in order > to be a good programer?'. > Have you some opinion about it??? > > / Vidor > A couple of decades ago, Edsger Dijkstra was asked that very same question. His answer was: "A thorough knowledge of one's native language." Dick Delp --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============1614067756782682625==-- From abrahams@mbs.valinet.com Mon Jan 24 15:50:47 2000 From: abrahams@mbs.valinet.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [SLE] Programers... Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:50:47 -0500 Message-ID: <388C74D7.489265CD@mbs.valinet.com> In-Reply-To: <388BDEB7.DFB9B550@jps.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8785096128539176126==" --===============8785096128539176126== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dick Delp wrote: > Vidor Demeter wrote: > > > Hi Folks! > > > > I'm working with a project about programing. > > One of questions is 'what do you need in order > > to be a good programer?'. > > Have you some opinion about it??? > > > > / Vidor > > > > A couple of decades ago, Edsger Dijkstra was asked that very same > question. > > His answer was: "A thorough knowledge of one's native language." Dijkstra was (and maybe still is) very proud of his English too, but in fact his writing was full of bloopers. And in his book ``A Discipline of Programming'' he made the argument that there was no point in testing programs because testing could only prove the presence of bugs, not their absence. He argued that the only way to have confidence in programs was to prove them correct mathematically. And he gave some examples of programs whose correctness he had demonstrated. When I read all of that, I was determined to debunk it. And sure enough, I discovered a big error in the initialization code of his convex hull program, an error that almost any test would have uncovered. Yes, testing can only prove the presence of bugs, not their absence. But that's a trivial corollary of the observation that nothing can prove the absence of bugs. Paul Abrahams --=20 To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe(a)suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help(a)suse.com = =20 Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/ --===============8785096128539176126==--