Tienes toda la razón del mundo Si yo tuviera todos esos problemas me plantearia cambiar de distro y todo... Es para estar enfadado. No creo que los usuarios de pago de SLED reporten bugs (salvo que les sea muy necesario) sin embargo de tanto en tanto todos los usuarios de OpenSUSE hemos puesto nuestro granito de arena... En fin seguiré leyendo este hilo a ver en que queda (es que tengo muchos mensajes de opensuse atrasados :-P) Dales Caña!! Salu2 El Miércoles, 1 de Abril de 2009 Carlos E. R. escribió:

On Wednesday, 2009-04-01 at 04:23 -0000, Jim Henderson wrote:

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As a user of openSUSE, I accept that an update might break things for me. I hope it doesn't. But even more than that, I hope that when something's broken, I can get it fixed through 'official' channels, and if that fix breaks something else, I accept the responsibility to report that it caused a problem, what the problem is, and to provide as much detailed information as I can to get the problem fixed. If I was a hard- core coder, I'd probably contribute patches myself, but I generally don't trust my coding enough to do that.

So instead I offer whatever I can to the developers who do write the fixes so they can fix the problems. That's my contribution to the process, and honestly I wish more users of openSUSE would take my approach rather than just "yell and forget about it" when they run into a problem. As a user of the product, I'm a member of the community and I want to give back in any way I am able to. That's how we make a better product, right?

I have to agree with all you have said... :-)

I'd like this post to go to the project list, where the right audience is, but I leave that to you.

Yes, I agree that big issues should be "repaired" on the same distro version, but I don't know if there are enough resources for that. Currently we have to wait for the next release to solve that, which usually means that a new set of bugs will be "released" too. At the end, we just have to choose which set of bugs we can live with, and choose the corresponding suse release.

Currently, I'm staying with 11.0 because there are bugs in 11.1 that impede me upgrading. The main one was that beagle exercised some functionality in reiserfs that was broken and caused the kernel to crash. This has been repaired with the last kernel update, but alas! now my machine does not fully suspend to disk because it doesn't power off at the last moment - and as this feature is part of my work routine, I can't live without it, so, --> no upgrade.

At the same time, there are features in 11.0 that are broken: for instance, writing to an external HD via USB, formatted as reiserfs, is badly broken, which means that I have to boot 10.3 or 11.1 to do my saving. Or, another is that mounting LUKS encrypted, reiserfs formatted, read-only media (DVD) is broken because the kernel tries to _write_ on the dvd. Another one that is broken, is that writing big files to an XFS, encrypted, filesystem crashes the system.

I consider all those big issues... but I have no hope of seeing any of them solved soon. Not in 11.0, perhaps not even in 11.1. Those things have been appearing over the last 2 years, they are slowly deteriorating. I expect things that work to keep working... but it is not the case, things are breaking and they are not solved.

Effort seem to concentrate on highly visible features, like kde4.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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