Onsdag den 26. maj 2010 15:12:43 skrev Leandro Regueiro:

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Martin Schlander

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Onsdag den 26. maj 2010 08:29:37 skrev Karl Eichwalder:

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I'm about to update the update-desktop-files once again.

Btw are there any plans for when the "upstream overwrites opensuse translations" will be turned off?

I have a problem with 2-3 of the upstream translations, and I'm curious when it's a good time to fix them without having my changes overwritten :-)

You won't have this problems if in opensuse remove this translations and you translate in upstream.

I do translate upstream (kde and a few other things). But I can't chase around to make some minor adjustsments to a couple of strings. And the main problem is actually that "personal settings" and "configure desktop" in KDE (update-desktop-files-kde) keeps getting overwritten by the upstream translation for "systemsettings". Don't quite understand why that happens. Is it a problem for others too? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Martin Schlander writes:

Onsdag den 26. maj 2010 08:29:37 skrev Karl Eichwalder:

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I'm about to update the update-desktop-files once again.

Btw are there any plans for when the "upstream overwrites opensuse translations" will be turned off?

If you agree we can stop importing upstream translations next week (last import on 2010-06-01). Then there is one week for you to adjust everything as needed. According to coolo's timeline, on 2010-06-09 we will have "translation finish" and on Friday, 2010-06-11 will be final RC1 checkin.

I have a problem with 2-3 of the upstream translations, and I'm curious when it's a good time to fix them without having my changes overwritten :-)

I see ;) -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Fredag den 28. maj 2010 09:35:54 skrev Karl Eichwalder:

Martin Schlander writes:

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Onsdag den 26. maj 2010 08:29:37 skrev Karl Eichwalder:

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I'm about to update the update-desktop-files once again.

Btw are there any plans for when the "upstream overwrites opensuse translations" will be turned off?

If you agree we can stop importing upstream translations next week (last import on 2010-06-01). Then there is one week for you to adjust everything as needed. According to coolo's timeline, on 2010-06-09 we will have "translation finish" and on Friday, 2010-06-11 will be final RC1 checkin.

Sounds good to me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Leandro Regueiro writes:

IMHO you should stop allowing the translation of these files in openSUSE, since they could be translated in upstream and they should be translated in upstream.

Unfortunately, in the past it did not for all teams. Small teams (1-person teams!) are often not inclined to participate in all the upstream projects. But nevertheless they would like to translate "all" of openSUSE. If this is no longer valid, we could change our strategy. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

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IMHO you should stop allowing the translation of these files in openSUSE, since they could be translated in upstream and they should be translated in upstream.

Unfortunately, in the past it did not for all teams.  Small teams (1-person teams!) are often not inclined to participate in all the upstream projects.  But nevertheless they would like to translate "all" of openSUSE.

If this is no longer valid, we could change our strategy.

The current way is good imo.

Upstream translations are used "by default". If an openSUSE  translator cares to edit a few highly visible .desktop translations, he _can_. It's no different than than adding some minor patches to some package, instead of using it 100% vanilla - which is done all the time. It's not like we're forking the entire i18n world like Ubuntu.

And the problem in this case is usually .desktop files that _are_ alerady translated upstream, but where the openSUSE translator disagrees a little bit with the choices of the upstream translators. So even if you did bother to get in touch, and suggest a change, there's prolly a good chance of it being rejected.

If they want to translate "all of openSUSE" then they should translate in openSUSE and in all the other projects that develop software included in openSUSE. Giving the chance to translate here and there confuses the people, IMHO. If you want to have all translated why not to tell directly "translate this in openSUSE and you also should translate there, there and there". If some translators doesn't like the choices in upstream, then go translate in upstream and tell the translators there why they shouldn't translate that way. This benefits all distros, not only openSUSE. And also if the translators upstream accept the comments (maybe typos or bad translations due to bad english comprehension, interferences from other languages,...) they also grow up as translators making better translations in the future. If they don't accept the opinions from some openSUSE translators this can be due to: * the openSUSE translator is wrong, and it putting bad translations in openSUSE, and you are allowing it * the upstream translator is wrong. This could be due to a break in this specific language translation team (they do not apply the same conventions when translating and this is a problem of that specific language and not of openSUSE) IMHO collaboration and comunication between teams improves the level of the translations, and makes better translators here and in upstream. I hope to have explained all that well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org