Guys, this list is here for discussion, for asking questions and seeing the answers right away. It used to be a precious place for me to share thoughts and exchange new ideas (all of you have seen something you didn't know before you read it on this list) long before I came to SuSE. Today, it helps me and the others in the team to get hold of what admins in the world are busy with (mostly the questions). You see each of the SuSE Security team members replying to one or the other thread every once in a while. suse-security@suse.com is one of the means of communication that are rarely found with other operating systems: Direct contact with the paranoia professionals at SuSE (even though we can't always follow the list) and honest exchange of information. I like it this way, and I would like it to remain as it is right now. I appreciate the contributions made, especially from now missing ex-collegues. There have been lists that didn't even survive the first 200 subscribers. suse-security now has more than 4400 subscribers, thanks to the discipline of the people who post and the devotement to security of all in the forum. It is vital for this list that questions can be asked. Of course, these questions should be related to security to comply with the purpose of this list. Desired language is English. If you are not willing to answer to one of the questions, and if you do not have anything else to say that contributes to the threads or the purpose of the list in general, then there is a good reason _NOT_ to post to the list. We haven't had any flamewars for ages - it looks like we didn't need them. Your choice. Thanks, Roman. -- - - | Roman Drahtmüller // "You don't need eyes to see, | SuSE Linux AG - Security Phone: // you need vision!" | Nürnberg, Germany +49-911-740530 // Maxi Jazz, Faithless | - -

Guys and gals (yes there are female admins), Perhaps the best way to handle people that don't like the questions asked by newbies (and we were all newbies at one time) is to cancel the subscription of those who flame newbies. Sometimes the simple answer is not so simple to someone new to unix/linux and that person needs to be politely pointed into the right direction. On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 13:37, Roman Drahtmueller wrote: snip.

Guys,

this list is here for discussion, for asking questions and seeing the answers right away. It used to be a precious place for me to share thoughts and exchange new ideas (all of you have seen something you didn't know before you read it on this list) long before I came to SuSE.

It is vital for this list that questions can be asked. Of course, these questions should be related to security to comply with the purpose of this list. Desired language is English. If you are not willing to answer to one of the questions, and if you do not have anything else to say that contributes to the threads or the purpose of the list in general, then there is a good reason _NOT_ to post to the list. We haven't had any flamewars for ages - it looks like we didn't need them.

Your choice.

Thanks, Roman.

Michael Zimmermann wrote:

At Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2002 20:06 Ken Schneider wrote:

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Perhaps the best way to handle people that don't like the questions asked by newbies (and we were all newbies at one time) is to cancel the subscription of those who flame newbies.

In this case it was the newbie who flamed. He called the answerer "rude bastard" 'cause he was pointed to an answer from google and it was questioned that he had tried google at all.

i think here we have our problem: Ben WASN'T the 'newbie' who flamed, the 'newbie' (sorry, i don't want to call you newbe...) in that case was bjoern ramann who asked. Someone replied and Ben said 'rude bastard'. The only one who CAN be pissed is Tobias Reckhard, but i don't think that he'll be. Ben tried answered correctly the question first. but we should stop here by now. Leaving the list cause someone had a bad day isn't the way i think. This list is, like Roman said, a very good list with a mix of professionals, newbies and 'normal users', and i would like not to see such postings again here, we're old enough to handle such things privat if we think we have something to handle, otherwise just ignore a mail or put a person in you whatever filter... thats a kind of respect imho. So long