Actually....McAfee just came out with an AV product that's LINUX-based. My company utilizes McAfee enterprise-wide and has considered using their LINUX product, too. I cannot say how good or awful it is, but at least wanted to state that there are alternatives. McAfee did have, for a while, a *FREE* evaluation of their LINUX-based product. I don't know if it is still available or not, but it is worth checking out. I've been doing LINUX since 1995-96 and UNIX since 1978. The very thing that Microsoft is concerned about is market share, plain and simple, which is (and should be) the primary focus of any given business. UNIX and LINUX (both) have been gaining popularity because of its diversity, stability and ease-of-use (overall). I would garner wages against any Microsoft systems administrator who tells me that administering Microsoft Windows is "easy" -- it isn't. I work for a "Microsoft shop", and of the 450+ servers that we have, roughly 2/3 to 3/4 of them are Windows-based in some form or another. Microsoft's products have become convoluted and complicated in their efforts of "keeping up with the Jones" (so to speak). Most LINUX architectures include just about everything under the sun, from DNS, to web services, to application development, and more. Each and every item that I mentioned there, Microsoft offers, too -- but for a price. Microsoft wants domination of the market -- and it has been stated repeatedly over the years. The few areas that Microsoft lacks (or should I say, continues to lack in), is "security" (overall). They didn't have an anti-spyware offering, so they offered one now by buying GIANT (while, BHTW, is a very good product). AV is another thing they lack in. Their ISA server (their supposed-firewall) is a joke and can be easily overtaken, but their point is to provide "minimal security". Look at any given federal government or military installation. Anything that *requires* secured connections, secured computing, etc. -- is NOT executed under a Microsoft platform or application (although Microsoft does run in some places, overall it's non-Microsoft). It's UNIX, or AIX, or Solaris, or... LINUX. But going back to the discussion about Sybari, it's sad to see another company get gobbled up by the big, bad, ole Microsoft. Another brick on the wall has been taken down (or put up, depending on your perspective)... Don't fret. There are enough of us who give a durn who WILL NOT give up to the likes of Microsoft. If one looses to Microsoft, another 1 or 2 popup in its place. LINUX is growing in popularity too much for the likes of Microsoft to rule over. Besides...with any company, at some time, has to find new means of reinventing themselves. Microsoft's feabile attempt is just that -- because NONE of what Microsoft does (or has EVER done) is innovative. They just steals from others -- remember that. The bigger that are (or get), the faster they fall... -rad P.S. I have been a HUGE advocate of SuSE for almost 10 years now. Even though I use Red Hat's Fedora Core 3 (which works quite nicely), if I want *stability* I use SuSE. My first legal release of SuSE purchased was back in 1995, and was version 5.1. I currently have 9.2. -----Original Message----- From: Andre Venter [mailto:andrev@ohwell.co.za] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:52 AM To: Janvier Anonical; suse-security@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-security] The future of Linux Hi Clam Anti Virus or Antivir Are two options. ----- Original Message ----- From: Janvier Anonical To: suse-security@suse.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [suse-security] The future of Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 I have read that Microsoft has bought Sybari and discontinued its anti-virus support for UNIX and Linux. It seems Microsoft views Linux as a real threat. Since Sybari is out, what would be an alternative for Linux users with regards to anti viruses? - -- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. - Scott Granneman, Security Focus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.0.1 (Build 2185) iQEVAwUBQsUV0GlGIXYBuowEAQqv5wgAvZ+M2T7Bf3aAKdX0M/XUW5s6u80NbxA1 cMTEKRXYVW8Zc637ey5UlDkhhoQ1hRqfPm/AAyi0Ki55f5h4YsGPh2h40MLS80en aSNnM5hjtXp6eii1zLwHvims1LkSr9s5gSXjhWWtUGp8wKSC2ugCahoLUAKYRRVn eai4FFykAQPukkLTWEqoX34Bp5wNf4hyl356IoqycQE6hFigkm2G/5rMy9rJHU1u jfpeYTX748JmnTBD57mQRvsgog89X5aB7EcFFQiA23MOu0QeN31Lcm9/ESGgu6RG xM7fXDWBJRjL+k93sHSlArkpe6gEDhtZE+TsZ8eNlObeDESrmnC9Fg== =UYEM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands, e-mail: suse-security-help@suse.com Security-related bug reports go to security@suse.de, not here -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands, e-mail: suse-security-help@suse.com Security-related bug reports go to security@suse.de, not here

On Saturday 02 July 2005 09:26, Philippe Vogel wrote:

Hi! <snip> We use antivir, fprot, sophos and clamav on our mailgateway. As a reaction against virus our mailserver 'magically' rejects executable attachements (so av software is normally not used much by it). The best solution is not to use antivir's mailscanner but use amavis or other solutions.

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Philippe Well done you! I keep telling folks not to let html mail thru also... but I get a whole lot of noise about blocking it. <sigh> Some people just have to be bitten I guess. I got my linux installs and wiped out windows on this network when sirchan ( spelling??) hit, and one important user got one w/ the nasty payload.. took 9 hrs to get his box back to where he could begin working again. That made him order the change.. and we have had no nasties since...

My kid says the same thing. She had her home on a linux box for over a year and never had any bad things happen, had windows xp for a month and got several virii and a whole boatload of spyware... usually attached to things the kids downloaded from ( get this) school approved sites! DUMB school. For now, since hubby's schoolwork has to be done via windows for <choke> "security " reasons.. ROFL It's enough to make you crazy, in'it? -- j