Is SuSE planning on releasing an update to Postgres 7.3 as it seems to have fixed some nasty bugs. (As well as having some much waited for new features!) -- Viel Spaß Peter Nixon - nix@susesecurity.com SuSE Security FAQ Maintainer http://www.susesecurity.com/faq/ "If you think cryptography will solve the problem, then you don't understand cryptography and you don't understand your problem."
Hi, I'd be interested too if SuSE is planning anything in this direction. An upgrade to Postgres 7.3 would definietly be benefitical for probably most users. Btw, are there plans to offer any Apache 2.* version anytime soon? Please forgive me if I missed something and it's available already. I am facing a situation where I probably soon have to start building all my servers/progams myself again, just like in the 'good old days' when the name 'distibution' was unknown in the Linux world ;-) Anyhow, I dont really like the idea of having to run several dozen ./configure with several hundreds of --enable's for each and every server I want. Only to find out I have to compile all mod_* too and then for mod_php get several libraries and includes to enable the features I want. Getting all this working on differrent SuSE 7.* (and higher) systmes has (in my opinion) become more and more difficult over the past few years. Not that I am unable to get it working, it just consumes too much time. If I had so much time I'd probably go for LFS or some other 'self-built' Linux - not only because of the potential speed improvement, rather because I would then finally know once again where on my system what is done ;-) Anyone here having similar thoughts? Erwin --- At 20:51 02.12.2002 +0200, Peter Nixon wrote:
Is SuSE planning on releasing an update to Postgres 7.3 as it seems to have fixed some nasty bugs. (As well as having some much waited for new features!)
-- Viel Spaß
Peter Nixon - nix@susesecurity.com SuSE Security FAQ Maintainer http://www.susesecurity.com/faq/
"If you think cryptography will solve the problem, then you don't understand cryptography and you don't understand your problem."
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:06 pm, Erwin Zierler wrote:
Hi,
I'd be interested too if SuSE is planning anything in this direction. An upgrade to Postgres 7.3 would definietly be benefitical for probably most users. Btw, are there plans to offer any Apache 2.* version anytime soon? Please forgive me if I missed something and it's available already.
I am facing a situation where I probably soon have to start building all my servers/progams myself again, just like in the 'good old days' when the name 'distibution' was unknown in the Linux world ;-)
Anyhow, I dont really like the idea of having to run several dozen ./configure with several hundreds of --enable's for each and every server I want. Only to find out I have to compile all mod_* too and then for mod_php get several libraries and includes to enable the features I want. Getting all this working on differrent SuSE 7.* (and higher) systmes has (in my opinion) become more and more difficult over the past few years. Not that I am unable to get it working, it just consumes too much time. If I had so much time I'd probably go for LFS or some other 'self-built' Linux - not only because of the potential speed improvement, rather because I would then finally know once again where on my system what is done ;-)
Anyone here having similar thoughts?
Well, once again SuSE provides the goods :-) nix:~ # apt-get install postgresql Processing File Dependencies... Done Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: postgresql-contrib postgresql-devel postgresql-server postgresql-test The following packages will be REMOVED: postgresql-plperl 5 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove(replace) and 11 not upgraded. Need to get 6520kB of archives. After unpacking 933kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql 7.3-0 [1250kB] Get:2 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-contrib 7.3-0 [1079kB] Get:3 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-devel 7.3-0 [501kB] Get:4 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-server 7.3-0 [2780kB] Get:5 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-test 7.3-0 [910kB] Fetched 6520kB in 1m41s (64.4kB/s) Executing RPM (-e)... Executing RPM (-U)... postgresql ################################################## postgresql-server ################################################## Updating etc/sysconfig/postgresql... postgresql-test ################################################## postgresql-devel ################################################## postgresql-contrib ################################################## So far so good. About to do some testing now. (I am wondering why there is no longer a postgresql-plperl package??) For those of you who are not using apt-get (probably most of you as it doesn't come with SuSE and isn't supported and isn't recommended unless you know exactly what you are doing :-) you should be able to find the rpms in one of the subdirs of the people directory on ftp.suse.com (I don't know which one because the rpm does not list the packager) I will let you all know how my testing goes. -- Viel Spaß Peter Nixon - nix@susesecurity.com SuSE Security FAQ Maintainer http://www.susesecurity.com/faq/ "If you think cryptography will solve the problem, then you don't understand cryptography and you don't understand your problem."
Although the question may be interesting to some people on this list, it is also off topic. Please discuss this elsewhere Thanks Jörg
At 13:03 03.12.2002 +0100, you wrote:
Although the question may be interesting to some people on this list, it is also off topic.
Please discuss this elsewhere
Thanks
Jörg
I had the impression upgrading to a less buggy and more secure version of a certain package - esp. when we are talking about servers which are accessible to the whole world in many cases - would fall into the category 'security related'. Please accept my apologies and also ignore this any my previous message. the reason I sent it to the list too was because again I figured this would be interesting for people who have to maintain differrent servers with all kind of different daemons (securly) running. End of discuss-ion/ing on my part. Erwin
I think this is security relevant. Keeping the server software up to date is a part of a good security concept. Sometimes its possible to "backport" a security fix (e.g. Apache), sometimes it isn't because the code changes are all to big. On SuSEs side they have to ensure that an update doesn't break anything, that is why they dont upgrade to new versions, but fix the "outdated" version. On the other side is the sysadmin. You have to decide what you want. An update of the version that is certified by SuSE (e.g. does not break your current installation). Or the possibility to have top notch versions. I can only tell you how i decided to run things: I use normal distribution packages for the usual things. For things that are visible to the outside in some form (apache, openssl, dbms...), i decided to roll my own. I create packages on a dedicated host and can easily install them on the production hosts (all hosts need to be on the same release level of the os). I do that with Debian, but im sure you can set up these things for RPMs the same way (preinst, postinst scripts etc.). Its more work at the beginning, but pays off later. peace, Tom Erwin Zierler wrote:
I had the impression upgrading to a less buggy and more secure version of a certain package - esp. when we are talking about servers which are accessible to the whole world in many cases - would fall into the category 'security related'. Please accept my apologies and also ignore this any my previous message. the reason I sent it to the list too was because again I figured this would be interesting for people who have to maintain differrent servers with all kind of different daemons (securly) running.
End of discuss-ion/ing on my part.
At 13:56 03.12.2002 +0200, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:06 pm, Erwin Zierler wrote:
Hi,
I'd be interested too if SuSE is planning anything in this direction. An upgrade to Postgres 7.3 would definietly be benefitical for probably most users. [....own stuff deleted...]
Well, once again SuSE provides the goods :-)
nix:~ # apt-get install postgresql Processing File Dependencies... Done Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: postgresql-contrib postgresql-devel postgresql-server postgresql-test The following packages will be REMOVED: postgresql-plperl 5 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove(replace) and 11 not upgraded. Need to get 6520kB of archives. After unpacking 933kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql 7.3-0 [1250kB] Get:2 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-contrib 7.3-0 [1079kB] Get:3 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-devel 7.3-0 [501kB] Get:4 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-server 7.3-0 [2780kB] Get:5 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/8.1-i386/suse-people postgresql-test 7.3-0 [910kB] Fetched 6520kB in 1m41s (64.4kB/s) Executing RPM (-e)... Executing RPM (-U)... postgresql ################################################## postgresql-server ################################################## Updating etc/sysconfig/postgresql... postgresql-test ################################################## postgresql-devel ################################################## postgresql-contrib ##################################################
So far so good. About to do some testing now. (I am wondering why there is no longer a postgresql-plperl package??) For those of you who are not using apt-get (probably most of you as it doesn't come with SuSE and isn't supported and isn't recommended unless you know exactly what you are doing :-) you should be able to find the rpms in one of the subdirs of the people directory on ftp.suse.com (I don't know which one because the rpm does not list the packager)
I will let you all know how my testing goes.
That'd be cool! I never thought about using apt-get with SuSE. Figured it's Debian specific.... I was mad enough when SuSE 'own' YOU messed up 3 of my systems - ever since I was using fou4s. But the idea of getting apt-get to work sounds very intriguing to me ;-) What really bugs me is that obviously there is plenty recent versions of popular server software on SuSE or related FTP sites but I never seem to be able to get information about it on so collaed 'official' SuSE channels.
-- Viel Spaß
Peter Nixon - nix@susesecurity.com SuSE Security FAQ Maintainer http://www.susesecurity.com/faq/
"If you think cryptography will solve the problem, then you don't understand cryptography and you don't understand your problem."
Regards, Erwin
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 11:06:53AM +0100, Erwin Zierler wrote:
Btw, are there plans to offer any Apache 2.* version anytime soon?
There are fresh packages on ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/apache/apache2/ Peter -- Thought is limitation. Free your mind.
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