Disable login for x minutes after x failed logins?
I want to either disable a remote login (ssh, ftp, pop etc.) after x failures completely, to the trying remote client (IP no.) or for x minutes. I searched the web up and down, but can't come up with a simple and concise explanation, how to do this. It seems pam_tally could somehow be used to achieve part of that, but not completely. F.i. it seems once the account is locked it is locked as long as someone unlocks it. Is pam_tally the way to go or are there better ways on a normal Suse 8/9 system? Is there a better explanation/howto than what can be found in the PAM docs, man or http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html (PAM system administrator's guide)? At least for me this documentation is quite scarce and I'm missing some real-word and "how-to" examples for a good start. I also wonder if any of the login.defs definitions is used if PAM gets used? I read somewhere that most of it is handled by PAM now, but some options were still valid, f.i. "fail_delay" (delay for next attempt after a failure), but I can't repro that, so it seems none of it is in use when using PAM? Thanks, Kai
Short Shot man faillog Dirk Kai Schaetzl schrieb:
I want to either disable a remote login (ssh, ftp, pop etc.) after x failures completely, to the trying remote client (IP no.) or for x minutes. I searched the web up and down, but can't come up with a simple and concise explanation, how to do this. It seems pam_tally could somehow be used to achieve part of that, but not completely. F.i. it seems once the account is locked it is locked as long as someone unlocks it. Is pam_tally the way to go or are there better ways on a normal Suse 8/9 system? Is there a better explanation/howto than what can be found in the PAM docs, man or http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html (PAM system administrator's guide)? At least for me this documentation is quite scarce and I'm missing some real-word and "how-to" examples for a good start.
I also wonder if any of the login.defs definitions is used if PAM gets used? I read somewhere that most of it is handled by PAM now, but some options were still valid, f.i. "fail_delay" (delay for next attempt after a failure), but I can't repro that, so it seems none of it is in use when using PAM?
Thanks,
Kai
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Dirk Schreiner wrote on Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:58:28 +0200:
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man faillog
Thanks, good shot, but not exactly in the black :-) The problems I have with it: 1. I can't disable temporarily 2. it seems it only works for console logins? So, won't work at all for my purpose. 3. I have it on some systems, but on others /var/log/faillog is missing although login.defs is the same and FAILLOG_ENAB activated. login.defs would also have nice options like FAIL_DELAY and LOGIN_RETRIES, but they don't seem to get used by PAM or also only for console logins. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
Hi, sorry late answer, but i`m real busy these Days ;-/ http://www.thkukuk.de/pam/pam_login/ http://portal.suse.de/sdb/de/1999/07/kukuk_pam.html And, btw, i guess you where heading the right way ;-)) http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam-6.html (Use /tally in Mozilla.) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75374 And as you see here it might really be thr right way. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75374 Checkout .fail_locktime and tell me the results. Greetings Dirk Kai Schaetzl schrieb:
Dirk Schreiner wrote on Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:58:28 +0200:
Short Shot
man faillog
Thanks, good shot, but not exactly in the black :-)
The problems I have with it:
1. I can't disable temporarily
2. it seems it only works for console logins? So, won't work at all for my purpose.
3. I have it on some systems, but on others /var/log/faillog is missing although login.defs is the same and FAILLOG_ENAB activated. login.defs would also have nice options like FAIL_DELAY and LOGIN_RETRIES, but they don't seem to get used by PAM or also only for console logins.
Kai
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Short Shot man faillog Dirk Kai Schaetzl schrieb:
I want to either disable a remote login (ssh, ftp, pop etc.) after x failures completely, to the trying remote client (IP no.) or for x minutes. I searched the web up and down, but can't come up with a simple and concise explanation, how to do this. It seems pam_tally could somehow be used to achieve part of that, but not completely. F.i. it seems once the account is locked it is locked as long as someone unlocks it. Is pam_tally the way to go or are there better ways on a normal Suse 8/9 system? Is there a better explanation/howto than what can be found in the PAM docs, man or http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html (PAM system administrator's guide)? At least for me this documentation is quite scarce and I'm missing some real-word and "how-to" examples for a good start.
I also wonder if any of the login.defs definitions is used if PAM gets used? I read somewhere that most of it is handled by PAM now, but some options were still valid, f.i. "fail_delay" (delay for next attempt after a failure), but I can't repro that, so it seems none of it is in use when using PAM?
Thanks,
Kai
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