-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michal Marek wrote: [...]

But in both cases a mail to opensuse-packaging "Is anyone working on XYZ" would have worked as well, right? I'm not saying a regular packagers meeting is a bad idea, but I think to avoid duplicate packaging work, there are better means of coordination that having to wait six days till the next meeting ;).

Agreed, I don't think it would be useful for that purpose. While it might be a good idea, although I'm not sure what we'd talk about :), we'd rather need some proper web application for - - managing a wishlist - - have packagers take items from the wishlist (and no, not the wiki) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::23+24 Feb 2008, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI6nopr3NMWliFcXcRAlA3AKCqN5n3RxPkrzk4W3+aV9mRR5QxCgCggeaP MEp/Wph3HVSGeF9U/iZgiyk= =BgiM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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Leo Eraly wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 22:50 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
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>> Michal Marek wrote:
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>>> But in both cases a mail to opensuse-packaging "Is anyone working on
>>> XYZ" would have worked as well, right? I'm not saying a regular
>>> packagers meeting is a bad idea, but I think to avoid duplicate
>>> packaging work, there are better means of coordination that having to
>>> wait six days till the next meeting ;).
>> Agreed, I don't think it would be useful for that purpose.
>> While it might be a good idea, although I'm not sure what we'd talk
>> about :), we'd rather need some proper web application for
>> - - managing a wishlist
>> - - have packagers take items from the wishlist
>> (and no, not the wiki)
>
> You are right, the wiki is a pain for this
> 
> For that purpose something like debian is using could be useful
> http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html 
> 
> At lot of this functionality is maybe already in OBS or could be added
> to OBS.

IMHO it would be even easier to just discuss a bit about the model
(think "database tables and fields", if you prefer), a few features, and
whip it up with Grails -- scaffolding should be sufficient given it
would be very simplistic.. Grails generates the model, the CRUD
controllers and views and... add a plugin for authentication, that's it.

A simple CRUD web application with authentication for 2 or 3 tables is
done in a few hours.
And off the top of my head, a single table would even be enough, with
metadata about the package requests (website, description, license), a
status field (request, taken, done), and that's pretty much about it.
OK, add a "packagers" table with contact information about the packagers
who may pick requests from the queue.
That's.. dunno.. an evening or two.

The pain, as usual, would be to authenticate against iChain, as it isn't
open, can only be done from something hosted at Novell, etc...

> If we would like to make more people contribute to contrib something
> like that could be helpful.

Absolutely. We need better, more specific tooling, and for that we need
more software developers. And we need to get rid of iChain or have an
alternative gateway to it (e.g. OpenID or whatever).

cheers
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On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 07:00:43 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le mardi 07 octobre 2008, à 18:31 +0200, Pascal Bleser a écrit :

...

Leo Eraly wrote:

...

At lot of this functionality is maybe already in OBS or could be added to OBS.

IMHO it would be even easier to just discuss a bit about the model (think "database tables and fields", if you prefer), a few features, and whip it up with Grails -- scaffolding should be sufficient given it would be very simplistic.. Grails generates the model, the CRUD controllers and views and... add a plugin for authentication, that's it.

A simple CRUD web application with authentication for 2 or 3 tables is done in a few hours. And off the top of my head, a single table would even be enough, with metadata about the package requests (website, description, license), a status field (request, taken, done), and that's pretty much about it. OK, add a "packagers" table with contact information about the packagers who may pick requests from the queue. That's.. dunno.. an evening or two.

I suggest to discuss these needs, and the proposal on the opensuse-buildservice list and make it part of the new obs web client. (I'm Cc'ing that list)

...

The pain, as usual, would be to authenticate against iChain, as it isn't open, can only be done from something hosted at Novell, etc...

...

If we would like to make more people contribute to contrib something like that could be helpful.

Absolutely. We need better, more specific tooling, and for that we need more software developers. And we need to get rid of iChain or have an alternative gateway to it (e.g. OpenID or whatever).

Here's something I did for the GNOME Team: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/OscGnome

It's a system built on top of the OBS and some dirty web pages (like http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/obs.py) to know what's the current status of packages maintained by the team, and to work all together more effectively -- there's a small reservation system, eg. Also, the osc plugin makes life much easier.

Wow, this is quite impressive!

I don't have time to elaborate on this right now (I'm at hackfest), but this is something I've been willing to generalize to the complete distribution if possible. Which means pushing some features to osc/obs later on.

I'll send a mail to opensuse-buildservice about all this when I'll be back home, but you should still feel free to send questions ;-)

Vincent

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On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Pascal Bleser wrote:

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Michal Marek wrote: [...]

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But in both cases a mail to opensuse-packaging "Is anyone working on XYZ" would have worked as well, right? I'm not saying a regular packagers meeting is a bad idea, but I think to avoid duplicate packaging work, there are better means of coordination that having to wait six days till the next meeting ;).

Agreed, I don't think it would be useful for that purpose. While it might be a good idea, although I'm not sure what we'd talk about :), we'd rather need some proper web application for - - managing a wishlist - - have packagers take items from the wishlist (and no, not the wiki)

These are some good points. Maybe this is something we could discuss in a meeting, even if a 1 time only meeting :) With openSUSE becoming more a community distribution it might be good to have a regular packaging channel? Thanks, Stephen Shaw Proud 2008 openSUSE Board Candidate

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