[opensuse-project] When is a mirror not a mirror?

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Basil Chupin

2 May 2012 2 May '12

13:48

My ISP is iinet.net.au - and has been for some years now. iinet.net.au is listed as one of the mirrors for openSUSE files and is listed as able to provide all updates for the openSUSE distro. With the oS servers out of action (but now are about to come back online as per Stefan's post) I have been trying to upgrade KDE to 4.8.2 over the past couple of days but the widehate server has been rejecting my (and others) attempts to access it to do this upgrade. So I looked up the list of mirrors and found that my ISP is listed as being a source for my upgrade of KDE - which is very nice because downloading from iinet.net.au costs me nothing as I am it's customer and can downloading from what iinet call its "Freezone". The only problem is is that iinet is not a true mirror for openSUSE. I had to go to a Belgian site to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.8.2 on my new installation. I have written to iinet on several occasions in the past telling them/complaining to them that their file directories are NOT up-to-date nor do they contain all the files - and always received the response that "the information has been passed on to the [engineers] for action". Well, nothing has been done now for, what?, 3 years. May I therefore make a request to whoever maintains the list of mirrors handling the openSUSE distribution that s/he either writes to iinet,net.au and gets them to action this deficiency or removes iinet.net.au from the list of mirrors. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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Per Jessen

2 May 2 May

14:12

Basil Chupin wrote:

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My ISP is iinet.net.au - and has been for some years now.

iinet.net.au is listed as one of the mirrors for openSUSE files and is listed as able to provide all updates for the openSUSE distro.

Yep, it's here: http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html

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With the oS servers out of action (but now are about to come back online as per Stefan's post) I have been trying to upgrade KDE to 4.8.2 over the past couple of days but the widehate server has been rejecting my (and others) attempts to access it to do this upgrade.

So I looked up the list of mirrors and found that my ISP is listed as being a source for my upgrade of KDE - which is very nice because downloading from iinet.net.au costs me nothing as I am it's customer and can downloading from what iinet call its "Freezone".

The only problem is is that iinet is not a true mirror for openSUSE. I had to go to a Belgian site to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.8.2 on my new installation.

I have written to iinet on several occasions in the past telling them/complaining to them that their file directories are NOT up-to-date nor do they contain all the files - and always received the response that "the information has been passed on to the [engineers] for action". Well, nothing has been done now for, what?, 3 years.

May I therefore make a request to whoever maintains the list of mirrors handling the openSUSE distribution that s/he either writes to iinet,net.au and gets them to action this deficiency or removes iinet.net.au from the list of mirrors.

I was about to say that the mirrors site above has an indication of "mirror status", i.e. wheter it is currently update-to-date or not, but I can't find that indicator now. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

14:32

On 02/05/12 22:12, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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My ISP is iinet.net.au - and has been for some years now.

iinet.net.au is listed as one of the mirrors for openSUSE files and is listed as able to provide all updates for the openSUSE distro. Yep, it's here: http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html

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With the oS servers out of action (but now are about to come back online as per Stefan's post) I have been trying to upgrade KDE to 4.8.2 over the past couple of days but the widehate server has been rejecting my (and others) attempts to access it to do this upgrade.

So I looked up the list of mirrors and found that my ISP is listed as being a source for my upgrade of KDE - which is very nice because downloading from iinet.net.au costs me nothing as I am it's customer and can downloading from what iinet call its "Freezone".

The only problem is is that iinet is not a true mirror for openSUSE. I had to go to a Belgian site to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.8.2 on my new installation.

I have written to iinet on several occasions in the past telling them/complaining to them that their file directories are NOT up-to-date nor do they contain all the files - and always received the response that "the information has been passed on to the [engineers] for action". Well, nothing has been done now for, what?, 3 years.

May I therefore make a request to whoever maintains the list of mirrors handling the openSUSE distribution that s/he either writes to iinet,net.au and gets them to action this deficiency or removes iinet.net.au from the list of mirrors. I was about to say that the mirrors site above has an indication of "mirror status", i.e. wheter it is currently update-to-date or not, but I can't find that indicator now. What is shown (as a tick) is that iinet can be used to update 12.1. I looked thru the site and nowhere could I find the KDE:/Release:/48/ repo to upgrade KDE to 4.8.2.

I then simply picked at random on a site in Europe - happened to be one in Belgium - and found the repo within seconds. And this is the mirror I used to upgrade to 482 earlier. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

14:50

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 14:32, Basil Chupin wrote:

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What is shown (as a tick) is that iinet can be used to update 12.1.

Meaning the update repo - not whatever repo you want :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hLZUACgkQIvFNjefEBxrXfwCeJk858heWEMqIJNru0JIpqP/G YkUAn3/Axmfl5Qby9kSqhe/iCsnlUROM =uCHe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

14:56

On 02/05/12 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 14:32, Basil Chupin wrote:

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What is shown (as a tick) is that iinet can be used to update 12.1. Meaning the update repo - not whatever repo you want :-)

A sleight of hands I suspect here, Carlos :-) . The 4.8.2 repo IS an upgrade to 12.1 as far as I am concerned. If it isn't then this should be spelt out quite clearly in the list of mirrors - AND (as I have already mentioned many times, sigh..... ) the naming of repos should be made more clear. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

15:05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 14:56, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The 4.8.2 repo IS an upgrade to 12.1 as far as I am concerned.

Yes, but it is not the repo named "updates", which is the one that matters for the tick.

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If it isn't then this should be spelt out quite clearly in the list of mirrors - AND (as I have already mentioned many times, sigh..... ) the naming of repos should be made more clear.

Nor does it say that all repos are verified. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hMQcACgkQIvFNjefEBxogagCdGrFWMSMGBmxbQkP77o+5wPjr xFwAn0kSHC8qJNsGRw3uKjnVU2X0Kuay =zxHR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

15:22

On 02/05/12 23:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 14:56, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote: The 4.8.2 repo IS an upgrade to 12.1 as far as I am concerned. Yes, but it is not the repo named "updates", which is the one that matters for the tick.

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If it isn't then this should be spelt out quite clearly in the list of mirrors - AND (as I have already mentioned many times, sigh..... ) the naming of repos should be made more clear. Nor does it say that all repos are verified.

In fact, it don't give out much really meaningful info at all :-) . BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

15:36

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 14:32, Basil Chupin wrote:

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What is shown (as a tick) is that iinet can be used to update 12.1. Meaning the update repo - not whatever repo you want :-)

A sleight of hands I suspect here, Carlos :-) .

The 4.8.2 repo IS an upgrade to 12.1 as far as I am concerned.

Carlos is spot on, KDE 4.8.2 is not present in /updates, hence it is not mirrored. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

15:47

On 02/05/12 23:36, Per Jessen wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 22:50, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 14:32, Basil Chupin wrote:

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What is shown (as a tick) is that iinet can be used to update 12.1. Meaning the update repo - not whatever repo you want :-) A sleight of hands I suspect here, Carlos :-) .

The 4.8.2 repo IS an upgrade to 12.1 as far as I am concerned. Carlos is spot on, KDE 4.8.2 is not present in /updates, hence it is not mirrored.

OK. So why is it mirrored on some Belgian site? Just asking..... BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

15:59

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 15:47, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:36, Per Jessen wrote:

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OK. So why is it mirrored on some Belgian site?

Just asking.....

Because they want to. For example, if you have a look to the mirror closest to me, http://suse.bifi.unizar.es/opensuse/distribution/, it doesn't have any repo at all, just the "updates" one. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hPaoACgkQIvFNjefEBxpM+QCcD5lnv7MnDZeXqPMwyF6m8O2u NZwAniXS1N3i9GntRbQ4C3pfMeF0CRGv =ZgRz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 15:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 15:47, Basil Chupin wrote:

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For example, if you have a look to the mirror closest to me, http://suse.bifi.unizar.es/opensuse/distribution/, it doesn't have any repo at all, just the "updates" one.

And packman, I just noticed. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hPmEACgkQIvFNjefEBxqS8QCgykl6bBObBD/BQiQaiQoL+ecL syYAn0q+H9Kaw3VAIgeUfuKA7w4Ql2JX =VpZd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

16:23

On 02/05/12 23:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 15:47, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:36, Per Jessen wrote: OK. So why is it mirrored on some Belgian site?

Just asking..... Because they want to.

For example, if you have a look to the mirror closest to me, http://suse.bifi.unizar.es/opensuse/distribution/, it doesn't have any repo at all, just the "updates" one.

I ask the very simple question: what is the definition of a mirror? If one doesn't see exactly what is on the original "image" then what you are looking at is not a mirror. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:39

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 16:23, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If one doesn't see exactly what is on the original "image" then what you are looking at is not a mirror.

A mirror doesn't need to be a complete mirror to be named a mirror. The mirror brain knows where to direct you to in order to download each files. The one I mentioned in my country is a basic mirror. I use it quite a lot, meaning, I get redirected to it often. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hRwUACgkQIvFNjefEBxqvFgCfcRTKKnZn/fxSjS9RsITE76S7 TQkAoMsLW+F8QSY2yuyJBIuthVzOWYy+ =J7i0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:52

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 16:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 16:23, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If one doesn't see exactly what is on the original "image" then what you are looking at is not a mirror.

A mirror doesn't need to be a complete mirror to be named a mirror. The mirror brain knows where to direct you to in order to download each files.

For example, have a look in the browser, for example here:

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http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/x86...

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click on details of any file. It works very slow, the server is not quite up yet. Ok, on the second attempt I get here:

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http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Release:/48/openSUSE_12.1/x86...

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you see the mirror list of what server carries the file you want. In my case, unizar is not listed, so there is no problem - the mirrorbrain works correctly, it knows unizar doesn't have kde 48. The problem is when download.opensuse.org is down. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hSisACgkQIvFNjefEBxooIACfeQaSh9sQx3Qp2hKxtI/ti4SF V8oAoNLv46X1zhA9Vuqzh26u8hMbn8K5 =FWjF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

16:59

On 03/05/12 00:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 16:23, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:59, Carlos E. R. wrote: If one doesn't see exactly what is on the original "image" then what you are looking at is not a mirror. A mirror doesn't need to be a complete mirror to be named a mirror. The mirror brain knows where to direct you to in order to download each files.

The one I mentioned in my country is a basic mirror. I use it quite a lot, meaning, I get redirected to it often.

Then it is not a mirror but simply a place which contains some copies of the files held at the original source of the files. What the "Mirror Brain" (surely a misnomer? :-) - if it were really a "Brain" then it would have taken me to the Belgian site, or some other site, for my KDE 4.8.2 upgrade) does does not justify calling some site a "mirror". Two different concepts. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:47

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 16:59, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 03/05/12 00:39, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Then it is not a mirror but simply a place which contains some copies of the files held at the original source of the files.

It is mirror, even if you differ :-p

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What the "Mirror Brain" (surely a misnomer? :-) - if it were really a "Brain" then it would have taken me to the Belgian site, or some other site, for my KDE 4.8.2 upgrade) does does not justify calling some site a "mirror".

If download.opensuse.org redirected you to your isp mirror to download kde 48, and they do not have it, then report the issue to the contact person for the mirror structure in opensuse. But as the server hosting the brain is still not up completely, I would delay that for a week or two. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hVvwACgkQIvFNjefEBxqj+gCfYOfxGgGNkcU6gXPF9oy8Oplv hbEAoJA8ZqENWZ1MPdArG5+JvBzdPUlD =Xr39 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar

16:39

Quoting Basil Chupin :

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On 02/05/12 23:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 15:47, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:36, Per Jessen wrote: OK. So why is it mirrored on some Belgian site?

Just asking..... Because they want to.

For example, if you have a look to the mirror closest to me, http://suse.bifi.unizar.es/opensuse/distribution/, it doesn't have any repo at all, just the "updates" one.

I ask the very simple question: what is the definition of a mirror?

If one doesn't see exactly what is on the original "image" then what you are looking at is not a mirror.

As already stated: there are different 'images' you can mirror. You mirror admin decided to dedicated limited bandwidth and disk space and is thus mirroring one of the 'smaller' imagesets than others do. The providers right: they pay for it. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

17:01

On 03/05/12 00:39, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar wrote:

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Quoting Basil Chupin :

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On 02/05/12 23:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 15:47, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:36, Per Jessen wrote: OK. So why is it mirrored on some Belgian site?

Just asking..... Because they want to.

For example, if you have a look to the mirror closest to me, http://suse.bifi.unizar.es/opensuse/distribution/, it doesn't have any repo at all, just the "updates" one.

I ask the very simple question: what is the definition of a mirror?

If one doesn't see exactly what is on the original "image" then what you are looking at is not a mirror.

As already stated: there are different 'images' you can mirror.

You mirror admin decided to dedicated limited bandwidth and disk space and is thus mirroring one of the 'smaller' imagesets than others do. The providers right: they pay for it.

Dominique

Understand. But then openSUSE should not classify them as mirrors but as sources of only selected files. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

20:45

Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 03/05/12 00:39, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar wrote:

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Quoting Basil Chupin :

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On 02/05/12 23:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 15:47, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:36, Per Jessen wrote: OK. So why is it mirrored on some Belgian site?

Just asking..... Because they want to.

For example, if you have a look to the mirror closest to me, http://suse.bifi.unizar.es/opensuse/distribution/, it doesn't have any repo at all, just the "updates" one.

I ask the very simple question: what is the definition of a mirror?

If one doesn't see exactly what is on the original "image" then what you are looking at is not a mirror.

As already stated: there are different 'images' you can mirror.

You mirror admin decided to dedicated limited bandwidth and disk space and is thus mirroring one of the 'smaller' imagesets than others do. The providers right: they pay for it.

Dominique

Understand.

But then openSUSE should not classify them as mirrors but as sources of only selected files.

Basil, that _is_ how it works today - you can see what is being mirrored here: http://mirrors.opensuse.org/list/all.html -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

4 May 4 May

06:21

On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:01:24 AM Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 03/05/12 00:39, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar wrote:

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Quoting Basil Chupin : ... As already stated: there are different 'images' you can mirror. ... But then openSUSE should not classify them as mirrors but as sources of only selected files.

Basil, by definition mirror server holds exact copies of selected files from another web server. There is nothing in the term that tells what kind and scope of files it holds. For instance: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/linux/openSUSE/ is complete mirror of distribution, update, and factory-tested. To be honest they have quite a few other sites they mirror: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/linux/ and even more for: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ I can only guess why they are doing this; to preserve bandwidth that they have to pay for. Web proxies used for the same purpose with normal web sites don't work fine for this type of download, ask Per for details. Problem is that someone using download.opensuse.org can be redirected to different servers, and web proxy will have to store the same file many times, defeating its purpose. When they have own mirror server and cooperate with distros, then users of iinet.net.au will be redirected to their own ftp site, so they have to download and pay for each file only once, and then serve to users as many times as they ask for. If you take that your ISP main reason to have mirrors is to save money then you can understand that they will host only the most downloaded files, not every file on mirrored server. When they make decision what to mirror input is number of downloads and size of files, in other words internet traffic. For the rest of files they are ready to pay when users want, once in a while, some exotic package.

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Carlos E. R.

11:38

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-04 06:21, Rajko M. wrote:

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Web proxies used for the same purpose with normal web sites don't work fine for this type of download, ask Per for details. Problem is that someone using download.opensuse.org can be redirected to different servers, and web proxy will have to store the same file many times, defeating its purpose.

side note: For this I requested time ago that a clever yast proxy be developed, so that it could be used as automatic local repo cache in small sites. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+jo6gACgkQIvFNjefEBxog1ACfbZW81as8T0RHK6bPYwfK61AK y5sAoMqZyjMjfITFP9CqX6ujPNqOtDXt =j7Zp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

14:59

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-05-04 06:21, Rajko M. wrote:

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Web proxies used for the same purpose with normal web sites don't work fine for this type of download, ask Per for details. Problem is that someone using download.opensuse.org can be redirected to different servers, and web proxy will have to store the same file many times, defeating its purpose.

Plus that zypper (or whatever library it uses) does segmented downloads spread across a selection of mirrors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_downloading This is very good for optimal utilization of downstream bandwidth, but it's (almost) impossible to proxy.

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side note:

For this I requested time ago that a clever yast proxy be developed, so that it could be used as automatic local repo cache in small sites.

With a couple of custom add-ons, squid will do fine. I've got such a proxy setup running since November, you're welcome to try it out. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Togan Muftuoglu

15:14

On 05/04/2012 02:59 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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With a couple of custom add-ons, squid will do fine. I've got such a proxy setup running since November, you're welcome to try it out.

Care to share those custom add-ons Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

15:37

Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On 05/04/2012 02:59 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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With a couple of custom add-ons, squid will do fine. I've got such a proxy setup running since November, you're welcome to try it out.

Care to share those custom add-ons

Togan

I have actually written most of it up already: http://wiki.jessen.ch/index/Squid_and_openSUSE The download links don't work, I'll see if I can also prepare a tarball with all the ingredients. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Freek de Kruijf

15:44

On vrijdag 4 mei 2012 15:37:36 Per Jessen wrote:

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Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On 05/04/2012 02:59 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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With a couple of custom add-ons, squid will do fine. I've got such a proxy setup running since November, you're welcome to try it out.

Care to share those custom add-ons

Togan

I have actually written most of it up already:

http://wiki.jessen.ch/index/Squid_and_openSUSE

Got a 403 error on access. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

17:02

Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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On vrijdag 4 mei 2012 15:37:36 Per Jessen wrote:

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Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On 05/04/2012 02:59 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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With a couple of custom add-ons, squid will do fine. I've got such a proxy setup running since November, you're welcome to try it out.

Care to share those custom add-ons

Togan

I have actually written most of it up already:

http://wiki.jessen.ch/index/Squid_and_openSUSE

Got a 403 error on access.

Sorry, should be fixed now. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

17:45

Per Jessen wrote:

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Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On 05/04/2012 02:59 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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With a couple of custom add-ons, squid will do fine. I've got such a proxy setup running since November, you're welcome to try it out.

Care to share those custom add-ons

Togan

I have actually written most of it up already:

http://wiki.jessen.ch/index/Squid_and_openSUSE

The download links don't work, I'll see if I can also prepare a tarball with all the ingredients.

Okay, the download links should be working now - be aware, this is not exactly a one-click install, i.e. some assembly required. Feel free to contact me off-line if you need help. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Togan Muftuoglu

18:24

On 05/04/2012 05:45 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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http://wiki.jessen.ch/index/Squid_and_openSUSE

The download links don't work, I'll see if I can also prepare a tarball with all the ingredients.

Okay, the download links should be working now - be aware, this is not exactly a one-click install, i.e. some assembly required. Feel free to contact me off-line if you need help.

Thanks Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

7 May 7 May

07:58

On 04/05/12 14:21, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:01:24 AM Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 03/05/12 00:39, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar wrote:

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Quoting Basil Chupin: ... As already stated: there are different 'images' you can mirror. ... But then openSUSE should not classify them as mirrors but as sources of only selected files. Basil,

by definition mirror server holds exact copies of selected files from another web server. There is nothing in the term that tells what kind and scope of files it holds.

For instance: http://ftp.iinet.net.au/linux/openSUSE/ is complete mirror of distribution, update, and factory-tested.

Apologies for the late reply. I can see that it is of little value trying to argue the point here - and I thank everyone for participating and commenting on my original post. Reason why I see no point is what you, Rajko, wrote above: "is *complete* mirror of distribution, update, and factory-tested." [my emphasis] Did you even try to click on this "factory-tested" directory? If you would have you would have found that - like what I have been complaining to iinet for a long time - the darn thing is EMPTY. It contains zilch, nothing, zero. It's been this sort of thing that I complained to them about in the past where they have a directory, say, for the latest Milestone but when you go to that directory it is blank - and I have to download the Milestone from the openSUSE site. Some "mirror" :-( . [..........] BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

8 May 8 May

05:30

On Mon, 07 May 2012 15:58:50 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote: ...

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Did you even try to click on this "factory-tested" directory?

If I didn't I would not come to conclusion that your ISP is mirroring only often asked for files to satisfy majority of customers. What they offer is mirror where you can download installation media and later update installation, which makes it complete in some sense, for the rest use other sources. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Malcolm

2 May 2 May

15:19

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: When is a mirror not a mirror?

On Wed, 02 May 2012 21:48:25 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote:

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My ISP is iinet.net.au - and has been for some years now.

iinet.net.au is listed as one of the mirrors for openSUSE files and is listed as able to provide all updates for the openSUSE distro.

With the oS servers out of action (but now are about to come back online as per Stefan's post) I have been trying to upgrade KDE to 4.8.2 over the past couple of days but the widehate server has been rejecting my (and others) attempts to access it to do this upgrade.

So I looked up the list of mirrors and found that my ISP is listed as being a source for my upgrade of KDE - which is very nice because downloading from iinet.net.au costs me nothing as I am it's customer and can downloading from what iinet call its "Freezone".

The only problem is is that iinet is not a true mirror for openSUSE. I had to go to a Belgian site to be able to upgrade to KDE 4.8.2 on my new installation.

I have written to iinet on several occasions in the past telling them/complaining to them that their file directories are NOT up-to-date nor do they contain all the files - and always received the response that "the information has been passed on to the [engineers] for action". Well, nothing has been done now for, what?, 3 years.

May I therefore make a request to whoever maintains the list of mirrors handling the openSUSE distribution that s/he either writes to iinet,net.au and gets them to action this deficiency or removes iinet.net.au from the list of mirrors.

BC Hi Not all mirrors carry All the repositories, if you look at the list here it explains which mirror carries what repositories;

http://mirrors.opensuse.org/ openSUSE 12.1 openSUSE 11.4 openSUSE Build Service openSUSE Factory All products (large table) Maybe you should ask your ISP to add the repo's you commonly use? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop up 3 days 8:34, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.05 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

15:27

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: When is a mirror not a mirror?

On 02/05/12 23:19, Malcolm wrote: [....]

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Hi Not all mirrors carry All the repositories, if you look at the list here it explains which mirror carries what repositories;

http://mirrors.opensuse.org/

openSUSE 12.1 openSUSE 11.4 openSUSE Build Service openSUSE Factory All products (large table)

Maybe you should ask your ISP to add the repo's you commonly use?

As I stated, I have written to them about the 'problem' several times - without a successful result. In any case I don't think that it is up to me to get this sorted out. There obviously is an arrangement between iinet and openSUSE concering this mirroring thingie so it is really up to openSUSE to discuss and settle the situation with iinet. BC -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Malcolm

15:47

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: When is a mirror not a mirror?

On Wed, 02 May 2012 23:27:52 +1000 Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 02/05/12 23:19, Malcolm wrote:

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Hi Not all mirrors carry All the repositories, if you look at the list here it explains which mirror carries what repositories;

http://mirrors.opensuse.org/

openSUSE 12.1 openSUSE 11.4 openSUSE Build Service openSUSE Factory All products (large table)

Maybe you should ask your ISP to add the repo's you commonly use?

As I stated, I have written to them about the 'problem' several times - without a successful result.

In any case I don't think that it is up to me to get this sorted out.

There obviously is an arrangement between iinet and openSUSE concering this mirroring thingie so it is really up to openSUSE to discuss and settle the situation with iinet.

BC

AFAIK it's a 'pull' service not a 'push' service. Normally you ask openSUSE to become a public mirror, not the other way; http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mirror_infrastructure Suggest you try an email to hostmaster{at}iinet{dot}com{dot}au -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop up 3 days 8:54, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.03, 0.05 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

16:06

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: When is a mirror not a mirror?

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AFAIK it's a 'pull' service not a 'push' service. Normally you ask openSUSE to become a public mirror, not the other way; http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mirror_infrastructure

I believe it is "push" for the directories you subscribe to. If you try to download from download.opensuse.org you are in fact redirected to a mirror, you can not download directly from it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hP3QACgkQIvFNjefEBxoAWwCfdg/nWnC6C3PUzqStKoOXTcpC RyUAoLgbhd4SXCz2J4KXyjdpfEIi/T7+ =FLxj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Malcolm

16:37

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: When is a mirror not a mirror?

On Wed, 02 May 2012 16:06:44 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 2012-05-02 15:47, Malcolm wrote:

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AFAIK it's a 'pull' service not a 'push' service. Normally you ask openSUSE to become a public mirror, not the other way; http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mirror_infrastructure

I believe it is "push" for the directories you subscribe to. If you try to download from download.opensuse.org you are in fact redirected to a mirror, you can not download directly from it.

No, not talking about the end user, for the public mirror creation and what is available on it. In this case the ISP ftp admin sets up what is rsynced to their server... as in pull. -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) Kernel 3.1.10-1.9-desktop up 3 days 9:52, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

17:05

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: When is a mirror not a mirror?

* Basil Chupin [05-02-12 09:29]:

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As I stated, I have written to them about the 'problem' several times - without a successful result.

In any case I don't think that it is up to me to get this sorted out.

There obviously is an arrangement between iinet and openSUSE concering this mirroring thingie so it is really up to openSUSE to discuss and settle the situation with iinet.

But, YOU are openSUSE :^). Take responsibility ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:44

New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: When is a mirror not a mirror?

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-02 17:05, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin <> [05-02-12 09:29]:

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But, YOU are openSUSE :^). Take responsibility ...

No, that's something he can not do, not me nor you. There is a person in charge of the mirror structure, and that's the only one the mirror owner will listen to - as demonstrated by the fact that he contacted the ISP and these did nothing in years. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hVlkACgkQIvFNjefEBxrlkQCeO5P6mgj0HlV7jKUhmgbPfw9c /loAn3Jp3wI+lx3QqieUrz2a2Et5ok6M =rFrv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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Per Jessen
Rajko
Rajko M.
Togan Muftuoglu