On Miércoles, 28 de Julio de 2010 21:51:41 jdd escribió:

Le 28/07/2010 21:17, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :

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We enthusiastically welcome Jos

absolutely, It's great to have again a community manager and Jos seems perfect to this job, welcome!!

+1 Welcome aboard, Jos! -- Javier Llorente

On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:34:31 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

On 28/07/10 21:17, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Community Manager

Hello List!

Will there be/Is there a description about the work and purpose of the job "Community Manager" (in a blog, in the wiki, ...)?

Jos blogged a bit about it at http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/

E.g.: I presume (and wish) this job would include enhancing the communication and coordination of all the different sub-projects with the ca. 114 mailing-lists (http://lists.opensuse.org/) and other communication channels (forums, wiki discussion-pages, Internet Relay Chat - IRC).

What exactly he will do, is something he has to figure out in the next weeks. Let's give him a chance to first listen and understand before he comes up with burying himself in some stuff ;) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Thursday 29 July 2010 13:47:53 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

On 29/07/10 12:44, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:34:31 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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On 28/07/10 21:17, Andreas Jaeger wrote: What exactly he will do, is something he has to figure out in the next weeks. Let's give him a chance to first listen and understand before he comes up with burying himself in some stuff ;)

I just understand things better if I get an example. @aj:;-) Are you worrying he would cancel if he would get aware to fast about the enormous amount of work and possible handicaps he is going to face?/;-)

Not at all, my opinion is that there's a lot to do and Jos needs to have some time to decide which objectives to give himself. Let's not give him the impossible tasks at the beginning ;) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

El 29/07/10 14:57, Per Jessen escribió:

I'd like to understand who Joos reports to, and why he has to make up his own objectives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

El 29/07/10 14:57, Per Jessen escribió:

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I'd like to understand who Joos reports to, and why he has to make up his own objectives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

Fascinating discussion of motivation Jos and the board should definitely watch that as well as anyone else central to making the openSUSE project blossom into the project we all know it can be. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 29 July 2010 20:57:16 Per Jessen wrote:

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday 29 July 2010 13:47:53 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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On 29/07/10 12:44, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday 29 July 2010 12:34:31 pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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On 28/07/10 21:17, Andreas Jaeger wrote: What exactly he will do, is something he has to figure out in the next weeks. Let's give him a chance to first listen and understand before he comes up with burying himself in some stuff ;)

I just understand things better if I get an example. @aj:;-) Are you worrying he would cancel if he would get aware to fast about the enormous amount of work and possible handicaps he is going to face?/;-)

Not at all, my opinion is that there's a lot to do and Jos needs to have some time to decide which objectives to give himself. Let's not give him the impossible tasks at the beginning ;)

Hmm, elsewhere (BP for instance) that is exactly what newly hired managers are presented with :-) Out of curiosity and as a community member, I'd like to understand who Joos reports to, and why he has to make up his own objectives? (when I hire people, I give them the objectives and I measure if they're met).

I report to marketing. As far as 'official' goals go, right now all I know is "make openSUSE rock", but that would be the same for all of you ;-) In the coming days I will discuss what formal things/jobs I have for openSUSE. I will most likely be an ambasador, as the title somehow makes ppl think I matter... Otherwise, I'll try to help out as all of you do, nothing special I suppose. I only have the advantage of doing this full-time, and not having any technical tasks. Personally, I generally like to focus on promo/getting the word out, communication between teams, and getting new people involved. So you will probably see me involved in those area's. cheers, Jos

Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

Hi Jos!

(2010/08/02 0:48), Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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I report to marketing. As far as 'official' goals go, right now all I know is "make openSUSE rock", but that would be the same for all of you ;-)

In the coming days I will discuss what formal things/jobs I have for openSUSE. I will most likely be an ambasador, as the title somehow makes ppl think I matter...

Otherwise, I'll try to help out as all of you do, nothing special I suppose. I only have the advantage of doing this full-time, and not having any technical tasks.

Personally, I generally like to focus on promo/getting the word out, communication between teams, and getting new people involved. So you will probably see me involved in those area's.

cheers, Jos

Welcome to openSUSE community!

By the way, would you please tell me how I should pronounce your name?

Is Jos pronounced "*y*os" like "Johan Cruijff" or "*j*os" like "Uncle Joe"?

And, is Poortvliet pronounced as it is spelled - Poor-t-v-liet?

Best,

hi Jos, how about a one/two minute hello to The Community video, maybe on youtube, or.. DenverD ps: please, no hollywood backdrops....just an honest and _open_ Jos on a (say) webcam.. DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 02 August 2010 09:10:37 Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Monday 2010-08-02 04:44, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Hi Jos!

(2010/08/02 0:48), Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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cheers, Jos

Welcome to openSUSE community!

By the way, would you please tell me how I should pronounce your name?

Is Jos pronounced "*y*os" like "Johan Cruijff" or "*j*os" like "Uncle Joe"? And, is Poortvliet pronounced as it is spelled - Poor-t-v-liet?

Oh dear. Forget about all the "pronounced as spelled"(PAS) quirk. It isn't meaningful in the English language: given 'a' [ˈeɪ], 'aboard' would be [ˈeɪ'beɪrd], [ˈe'berd] or [ˈɪ'bɪrd], not [ə'bɔːrd]. Spelling it Poor-t-v-liet and slapping an English pronunciation on top would make "poor TV leet", which is absurd.

(Cf. the "through" discussion in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IzDbNFDdP4 )

As for the pronunciation of Poortvliet, to best avoid confusion, IPA please. Or a .wav even.

Or don't bother with it. What's the fun if everyone already knows how to pronounce your name? But OK, as per the suggestion of Denver I'll think about a modern way of introducing myself to the kids here :D

On Thursday 2010-07-29 12:34, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

On 28/07/10 21:17, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Community Manager Hello List!

Will there be/Is there a description about the work and purpose of the job "Community Manager" (in a blog, in the wiki, ...)?

Heh yeah. What does he manage? The community? Manage me? That just does not fit, nobody controls or manages me (or others). The job description should be rebranded as "Community Interactor", or gateway/connector if you like fancy technical terms. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 2010-07-29 13:17, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Thursday 2010-07-29 12:34, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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On 28/07/10 21:17, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Community Manager Hello List!

Will there be/Is there a description about the work and purpose of the job "Community Manager" (in a blog, in the wiki, ...)?

Heh yeah. What does he manage? The community? Manage me? That just does not fit, nobody controls or manages me (or others). The job description should be rebranded as "Community Interactor", or gateway/connector if you like fancy technical terms.

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From Jos' blog post.

"Now I might have this 'manager' in my title, but in the end I'm just another contributor who happens to be lucky enough to be paid full-time. So I won't be telling anyone what to do ;-)"

Do you feel better now? ;-)

Sounds like once the money flow stops, I _will_ be told what to do ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 29 July 2010 13:03:53 Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Thursday 2010-07-29 12:34, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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On 28/07/10 21:17, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Community Manager

Hello List!

Will there be/Is there a description about the work and purpose of the job "Community Manager" (in a blog, in the wiki, ...)?

Heh yeah. What does he manage? The community? Manage me? That just does not fit, nobody controls or manages me (or others).

Yeah, did you read his blog at http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/? Search for "manager"..

The job description should be rebranded as "Community Interactor", or gateway/connector if you like fancy technical terms.

Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Friday 30 July 2010 11:41:59 Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Donnerstag 29 Juli 2010 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:

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On Thursday 2010-07-29 12:34, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:

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On 28/07/10 21:17, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Community Manager

Hello List!

Will there be/Is there a description about the work and purpose of the job "Community Manager" (in a blog, in the wiki, ...)?

Heh yeah. What does he manage? The community? Manage me? That just does not fit, nobody controls or manages me (or others).

You seem to have a very strict definition of Management. See wikipedia: "Management in all business areas and organizational activities are the acts of getting people together to accomplish desired goals and objectives." - if you can't see how a "community manager" can help getting people together without controlling them you might not be a good candidate for the job, but that doesn't mean the title is wrong.

Well I think ya'll have to understand this title is not given to me by openSUSE but by Novell. So I am responsible for managing the relationship between Novell and openSUSE, and otherwise I'm just like all of you - an openSUSE volunteer. Does that help make this more clear?

Greetings, Stephan

On Monday 02 August 2010 08:40:42 Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Sunday 2010-08-01 17:48, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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Heh yeah. What does he manage? The community? Manage me? That just does not fit, nobody controls or manages me (or others).

You seem to have a very strict definition of Management. See wikipedia: "Management in all business areas and organizational activities are the acts of getting people together to accomplish desired goals and objectives." - if you can't see how a "community manager" can help getting people together without controlling them you might not be a good candidate for the job, but that doesn't mean the title is wrong.

Well I think ya'll have to understand this title is not given to me by openSUSE but by Novell. So I am responsible for managing the relationship between Novell and openSUSE, and otherwise I'm just like all of you - an openSUSE volunteer.

Does that help make this more clear?

I think they should have called you Grand Proxy ;-)

I'll ask if my business cards can say that :D