Fwd: [opensuse-project] 6 : less than 40 different ppl did send a mail on this list ...
I'm sorry, I meant to send this to the list.
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From: PatrickD Garvey
On 06/15/2015 02:35 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
I am not certain I would call it an "invitation" but in principal that is the way its is. The release manager that we have and that happens to get paid by SUSE is now going to build a distribution around SLES sources. As a contributor he has every right, just like everyone else, to work on what ever is interesting to him or whatever his employer feels like he should be working on.
Why is it that we in the openSUSE community would expect this stuff should work differently for us than it does in any other open source project? How many contributions are there in the kernel from @intel.com e-mail addresses that fix issues on ARM? I bet very few if any. SUSE thinks that there is benefit to have a release based around the SLES sources. Lengthy and reasonable arguments have been made that this also happens to be a benefit to the openSUSE project. I agree there is benefit. Yes, you can look up every response I wrote in those threads and in case it is not obvious I think this is not a good idea. Well, the concept of :42 has it's target audience, and in and of itself is a good idea. But from my perspective we are vacating the middle of the spectrum by not having the current release model continue and I do not like it! However, I stated my case, the decision has been made and I cannot and do not expect that anyone else will do my bidding. It is now time to put up or shut up. If a yearly Factory snapshot based release is so important to me, and others, I/we can learn what it takes to build a release in OBS and do the work, or I can decide to get over it and use :42, or I can choose to use something else entirely. No one is being forced to do anything they don't want to just because the release manager decided that he would rather spend his time building something new. What if there was a team of people from the community wanting to continue the previous release model? We would have openSUSE 42.1 and openSUSE 13.3? My point is: who gives the power to one group of
On 06/15/2015 08:03 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote: people to use the openSUSE name for their new distribution without a vote from the members or at least a board decision through an open process?
The process is open and Stephan tried to start the name discussion [1]. However it quickly drifted away and focused on something else.
[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2015-06/msg00203.html
The process may be open, but I find it very difficult to locate and follow discussions like the one you reference. lists.o.o displays 79 separate lists. Even if I narrow that to -announce, -features, -security-announce, -factory, -kernel, -packaging, and -project, that's a lot of reading to do to make the effort to know where the critical discussions are happening. Does no one else see this as lack of quality communication? Because I haven't been following -factory, https://youtu.be/BH99TSrfvq0 "OSC15 - Richard Brown - The Future is unwritten" appeared to be a totally arbitrary decision by a closed clique and I didn't fully understand what Richard was trying to announce. His presentation looked like I was supposed to know some history that I had not heard was being created. How has the openSUSE community worked this problem before? Or has it ever tried? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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