On 13 December 2011 09:40, Andreas Jaeger wrote: On 12/13/2011 03:23 PM, Jörg Stephan wrote:

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Hi there,

i tried to ask some people if there is any movement of creating a own set of openSUSE-Server repos, wikipages, guidlines etc. but i haven't a clear answer. I just found several pages in openFATE and the wiki which talk about this idea, but no general reaction. So i will ask here :-)

Are their people interested in creating openSUSE Server?

I had a conversation on that topic. Of course the normal installation does work on servers, but there are some "issues" which doesn't fit.

- Repos are to wide splitted: For running an webserver you definitely need some community-repos. Providing them on the wiki would help, and of course talk about that.

- server-kernel is needed of course, i know, i know, the -desktop kernel works on an server. And to be honest i just mention it here cause i talkes with a friend and he just said, having a -server kernel would feel better, and he is right :-)

No, the default kernel is the server kernel. That's why we created a special desktop kernel.

Just a question: why is it not labelled at the server kernel?

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- a install should be created i use this "minimal-system" to install my servers. but the first time i added some software i was surprised that the pattern must be removed. That's strange.

Might be a bug. Did you file it?

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Might be a bug. Did you file it?

No, its not. There is software which stands against the minimal pattern, therefor this pattern must be removed. I understand that, a postgresql (for example) database is not a minimal system. Greets -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hello, Am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2011 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:

Am 13.12.2011 16:20, schrieb Jörg Stephan:

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Might be a bug. Did you file it?

No, its not. There is software which stands against the minimal pattern, therefor this pattern must be removed. I understand that, a postgresql (for example) database is not a minimal system.

Patterns are inclusive not exclusive. You should be able to stack them. Patterns should only be offered for removal if you remove a component from them. So it still sounds like a bug.

The "minimal system" pattern is somewhat special. One of its goals is to keep the size of the installed system small. Therefore it has some "Conflicts" to keep some recommended packages (IIRC about 100 MB) out. To be exact, the pattern is split to "minimal system" and "minimal system conflicts", where the "...conflicts" pattern contains the "Conflicts". So you can keep the main pattern and only have to remove the part containing the "Conflicts". The better solution would be to have a "Discourages:" tag in RPM (in other words: a negative "Recommends"), but until someone[tm] implements this, we'll have to live with the current solution. All this is a known issue, see for example https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732811 and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669498 Gruß Christian Boltz --

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Because we had feature freeze in January ;) Which is why there were no new features added to YaST since January. Hey, we only did the usual bugfixing ;) That's a bug, not a feature. :-D [> Christoph Thiel and houghi in opensuse]

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Hello, Am Dienstag, 13. Dezember 2011 schrieb Jörg Stephan:

2011/12/13 Christian Boltz :

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No, because I think doing it in the distribution itsself (= submit packages to Factory) instead of starting a separate project would be better and avoids some additional work.

So, maybe we have a little misunderstanding on my side. I really dont know who makes the decision on which paket can be found in the distribution.

The person who maintains the package and submits it to Factory ;-) There are some people (Coolo, Sascha, ...) that have to accept the package. They usually accept most packages, rejects only happen if they have a very good reason.

I know for example that there is a really good community repo which gives mod_chroot http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Apache:/Modules/Apache_openS USE_12.1/ i guess most of this modules could be needed in the distribution, to fit a server (better).

I think it would really be better if the distribution itself could fit this, it would make everything much easier. So what can I (we) do to improve this?

There are two options: a) ask the maintainers if they want to push their package(s) to Factory (it can happen that a maintainer asks you to help in maintaining the package or even hands over maintenance to you completely) b) push the package to Factory yourself (which means _you_ will have to maintain it in Factory)

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Submit the packages you need to Factory.

Thats all?

Basically yes ;-) You should of course also maintain the package (update for new openSUSE releases, provide fixed packages for released versions if a security problem comes up etc.) You can find more details on http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Factory - have a look at the "Contribute to Factory" section.

By the way, what system runs the openSUSE infrastruktur?

AFAIK the servers run with SLES.

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Besides that, feel free to enhance the existing server-related patterns or create new ones as needed.

Okay, sounds easy, but i think it wont be easy. I take a closer look.

The technical part is quite easy - a pattern is a list of packages that belong together (for example a "LAMP" pattern for a typical webserver with PHP and MySQL). The more interesting[tm] thing is to make a good selection of packages for a pattern and to decide which of them should be installed automatically and which are optional. To stay with our example, should MySQL or MariaDB be installed? Extreme example: create a "best desktop" pattern *eg* Regards, Christian Boltz -- PS: Wer Rechtschreibfehler findet, darf sie behalten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org