-- Andres Betts On January 22, 2015 at 1:16:48 AM, Françoise Wybrecht (fwybrecht@ioda-net.ch(mailto:fwybrecht@ioda-net.ch)) wrote:

On 21/01/15 11:59, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

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This email might sound like the beating of a drum, but there is an issue I believe needs to be agreed upon as a community as we move forward. That issue is the logo, its use, and the deviation of its use on graphical elements for openSUSE events. Before going any further, I want to point out that this email is not criticizing any efforts of the past or present; it's merely to seek a conclusion about having a standardized/modular graphical element for future openSUSE events. Graphical elements for things like summits, mini summits and conferences help to strengthen the openSUSE brand, but it's important that the elements also remain consistent to support growing the openSUSE brand.

Hi Kenneth,

One spontaneous feed back this morning ...

Of course, in an enterprise, the name, branding, logo, website and coherence are one great important point. And in most case, the enterprise ask to professional designers to care about this. And in such a relation (expert-client), the custumer can choose what he like or not, or choose another provider. And ... when the client need a flyer or anything, for a special event, he can ask the provider - and get again a choice for that. Is that right ?

One context => one average process

Now ... openSUSE ...

Could we take 3 minutes to "compare" ? to analyse the differences ?

Not the same at all, of course.

I just give you a few examples :

- OSC 11 Nürberg (first time I came) : as a "new visitors", the logo was great, but much more the plush ... it was FUN !! Each one has his geeko, ans openSUSE pictures went around (many ppl with a "symbol" on shoulder").

Now ? where are the geekos plush ? ah ok, just for SUSE ? (I dont know the motivations or reason, I just can analyse the outside result/effect)

Last year, I was taking care of the FOSDEM booth (with Ancor, Bruno, yorgo, alexandro ..) - and we received (for the first time ... the "booth box" ... after many waiting months, if I remember well)

So, we opened the gift ;-) and discovered the flyers, posters ... (I went to your talk at OSC13 ... and ok you explained your choices ... back pens and USBkeys, technical things ...OK nice talk)

Again if I remember well, there was an article written about material booth (after the fosdem). And of course you DID GREAT job !! Did anybody from the design team noticed what we gave as a feed back ? (no reaction) For example : green is nice, but green beside green upon green ... make absolute no contrast on a booth ...OK ... this mail is not to start a talk on technical & look details (size of logo, respecting or not).

You are an expert, and a designer, and that's fine.

According to me, there are 3 "process bug" to solve :

- 1. when openSUSE guys need to organize an event, and we saw calls on the project list (for OSC 15 and for mini summit scale), there were no proposition at all - Except Andy ... so presently, the big question would be : who do the design work in openSUSE (better than ... oh openSUSE designer should respect the rules) ?

So what ? how can geekos organize event (all around) and have specific posters ?

-2. when you suggest logo, posters, material ... where you open to change a detail ? I dont think so. The community did not have a choice. One color is like boring ... all the same ... Could we remember that "let's have FUN" was essential ?

so What ? where is openSUSE choice ?

-3. of course Andres, it would be the FUN to get a new logo, website and plush (I'm thinking to KDE Gonki) for openSUSE, but you know it's a long work, hours, ideas, brainstormings, creation and ... CHOICES (like it was donr for the china mini-summit : ppl could vote)

If I understand correctly, you are saying that we should “not” venture into designing a new logo because it will take long work hours. To that I say, it is what designers do. We spend long hours thinking, proposing new ideas. Personally, this would just be another creation process that I would like to be involved with. Then present a few things to the community and see where that takes us.

So what ? Are you (Kenneth) the openSUSE designer ? And having time to do that great project ? Or can the board call for providers to suggest project" ? = This is a question for the board

When openSUSE ppll do mini summit, who is able to do the job ?

so lol, "this email might sound like the beating of a drum".

OK you are a professional, but you ask to the community to respect design rules ... but the first problem (to find a solution) is to get competent ppl to do the job (website, logo, posters, flyers ...) when ppl need (as scale),

thanks for reading and have fun today ;-) Françoise

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