On maandag 27 februari 2012 14:54:42 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hey,

On 27.02.2012 07:56, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I'll stop here

Why don't you stop altogether an just leave us "believers" alone? This is the mailing-list to discuss matters of the openSUSE project, not your personal soap-box. Get lost.

Henne

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Hey, On 27.02.2012 15:45, Per Jessen wrote:

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 27.02.2012 07:56, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I'll stop here

Why don't you stop altogether an just leave us "believers" alone? This is the mailing-list to discuss matters of the openSUSE project, not your personal soap-box. Get lost.

The last sentence was uncalled for. Why is it so difficult to be civil to oneanother?

I was civil. I wasn't friendly. And that's because to Basil I don't want to be friendly anymore. This is our projects list and I'm tired of people who poison it. I have decided I will not tolerate this anymore and speak up against it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

2012/2/27 Henne Vogelsang :

Hey,

On 27.02.2012 07:56, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I'll stop here

Why don't you stop altogether an just leave us "believers" alone? This is the mailing-list to discuss matters of the openSUSE project, not your personal soap-box. Get lost.

HERESY! That's one of the potential reasons why contributors turn their backs to openSUSE! The guy is right, his only crime is not to be a part of the closed circle of people who are trying to do everything to control openSUSE and do not give any change at 'new blood'! Then you wonder why people pack axes, sharp sticks, knifes, stones etc etc etc against the project... Your email is a clear explanation for it! You should to Roman Catholicism and learn how to love others! HERETIC! NM PS: yeah! I can do religion too!

Henne

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On Monday, February 27, 2012 15:57:42 Nelson Marques wrote:

And one more thing Henne, throw me your best and see how much you need to take me down! I can promiss you a valiant stand ;)

This is not a place for fighting, Nelson. Let's close this thread, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hey, On 27.02.2012 15:59, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

This is not a place for fighting

You are wrong. This is a place worth fighting for! The whole project is paralyzed because you can't bring forward any idea anymore without getting into a huge, mostly meaningless, thread. One where people don't offer any collaboration on the matter at hand. This has got to stop. I urge each and every one of you to think hard before hitting the send button on a mail to @opensuse.org for the next couple of weeks. Think hard if what you have written is a contribution to solving the problem or not. Think hard if you offer collaboration to your peers or not. Think hard if you create an environment where people feel save to bring forward their ideas or not. Please! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hey, On 27.02.2012 15:57, Nelson Marques wrote:

And one more thing Henne, throw me your best and see how much you need to take me down!

You just declared your grand departing haven't you? I'm just waiting for you to make good on that announcement :) This is our mailing list where we are trying to work together. Since quite some time it's not possible to do that anymore because of people abusing it for their own purposes. I am not going to take this anymore and I will do something about it. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 2012-02-27 16:37:46 (+0100), Henne Vogelsang wrote:

On 27.02.2012 15:57, Nelson Marques wrote:

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And one more thing Henne, throw me your best and see how much you need to take me down!

You just declared your grand departing haven't you? I'm just waiting for you to make good on that announcement :)

This is our mailing list where we are trying to work together. Since quite some time it's not possible to do that anymore because of people abusing it for their own purposes.

I am not going to take this anymore and I will do something about it.

Count me in. We've already had way too much vandalizing by a very, very few, which caused everyone else to be unable to communicate and exchange about our project. Goodbye Nelson. Have a lot of fun, but elsewhere. -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green _\_v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf

I will inform you by letter to comply with EU Directive 108 regarding all personal data you have ;) Goodbye :) 2012/2/27 Alan Clark :

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On 2/27/2012 at 08:37 AM, Henne Vogelsang wrote: Hey,

On 27.02.2012 15:57, Nelson Marques wrote:

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And one more thing Henne, throw me your best and see how much you need to take me down!

You just declared your grand departing haven't you? I'm just waiting for you to make good on that announcement :)

This is our mailing list where we are trying to work together. Since quite some time it's not possible to do that anymore because of people abusing it for their own purposes.

I am not going to take this anymore and I will do something about it.

Henne

Henne does not stand alone in this.  Nelson you've said goodbye - leave.

AlanClark

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Nelson,

You are starting to loose any respect I and many others had for you by acting in such a playground manner. I genuinely admire the work and effort you have put in with getting Banshee cleaned up and updated, and also the effort you put in for both Unity and Cinnamon; but seriously, acting in this manner is absolutely pointless and counter productive on *everyone's* part.

I don't recall any paladins in my defense when I was called amongst other things a NAZI supporter, and other lack of respect. So please push the eject button. It wasn't me who started the war, but I'll gladly finish it.

You are getting a name for yourself as being nothing more than a troll, an extremist of the worst kind. Is that how you wish to be known? You

Better than a NAZI :)

may not agree with how the project works, but instead of being condescending and belligerent about it try being constructive. Nobody expects to please 100% of the community, it's an impossible task, but if you genuinely have objections raise them and when you do provide both evidence as to why you fell it doesn't work and how you would propose to do it differently.

Sure... I should eat it all up and shut up and play nice :) I haven't played my last card yet.

If you don't want to proceed in a sane manner, please just keep your warmongering to yourself as it has no input into the project. You have managed to derail far too many threads on various mailing lists for too long.

All the best to you, I have no beef with you.

Regards,

Andy

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Hey, On 27.02.2012 17:06, Nelson Marques wrote:

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You are starting to loose any respect I and many others had for you by acting in such a playground manner.

I don't recall any paladins in my defense when I was called amongst other things a NAZI supporter, and other lack of respect.

Not respecting you is wrong. The openSUSE project values respect for others and their work. Not defending you is wrong. The openSUSE project stands for its guiding principles. However, if someone did wrong to you, you are not allowed to do others wrong because of it.

So please push the eject button. It wasn't me who started the war, but I'll gladly finish it.

There appears to be no reason why you would be here except doing us harm. And that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not willing anymore to give people a platform to harm the openSUSE project on our very own mailing lists. Either you are here to collaborate with others to further the openSUSE project or you better leave. So, please make true on your announcement and leave. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 27.02.2012 17:40, jdd wrote:

Le 27/02/2012 17:38, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :

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anymore to give people a platform to harm the openSUSE project on our very own mailing lists. Either you are here to collaborate with others to further the openSUSE project or you better leave.

sad, but true

jdd

indeed :/ Anyway, could we come back to topic? I don't know how you think about the "membership question" but I'd say it's a good job for the board ;-) Why not let them and Robert discuss about it, come up with first plan of a solution and discuss it _seriously_ on the list? Wouldn't that be the best solution for us all? And guys, please *please* stop this stupid "I'll leave but before I'll insult as many as possible"-discussion that is going on here. Nelson, I don't know what happened to you, and maybe you give a fsck on what I'm writing, but wouldn't it be much more sane to ignore the bait and don't reply to any insulting posts. I know, if someone provokes me it's not easy to me to let it go without any reaction, but in the end you're saving yourself a big amount of unnecessary fighting. So, Nelson, I really appreciate your contributions and hope you'll find a way to leave the project peacefully. Good luck to you! Have a lot of fun... -- Kim Leyendecker, openSUSE Wiki Team GPG Key: 664265369547B825 | leyendecker@opensuse.org http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/02/12 00:54, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hey,

On 27.02.2012 07:56, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I'll stop here

Why don't you stop altogether an just leave us "believers" alone? This is the mailing-list to discuss matters of the openSUSE project, not your personal soap-box. Get lost.

Henne

Thank you Henne. A true gentleman as always. BC -- I'd rather live one more day as a wolf than an entire life as a lamb. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org