On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 08:01 -0400, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:

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Much like the way Debian's apt and Gentoo's emerge

We dont use debs and gentoo is a source based distribution, comparisions are wrong, you are mixing pear with apples.

Thank you for answer. I don't agree that we are comparing pears with apples. It has nothing to do with the package management system but with the design philosophy. When suse was a commercial only distro it made sense to release a new version once in a while. I do think that this update model is obsolete now. Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD, are all community driven distribution which provides the option to incrementally update your system. I can imagine this puts less strain on the openSUSE devs and also makes the openSUSE experience a lot smoother. I can imagine that enterprise users would really appreciate such a model -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Dňa Saturday 13 October 2007 14:34:50 Benji Weber ste napísal:

On 13/10/2007, Aniruddha wrote:

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Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD, are all community driven distribution which provides the option to incrementally update your system. I can imagine this puts less strain on the openSUSE devs and also makes the openSUSE experience a lot smoother. I can imagine that enterprise users would really appreciate such a model

You can upgrade your system between versions by using yast -> software management, yast -> factory upgrade, or "zypper up -t package" openSUSE-updater does now have an "upgrade" mode too, but it's not really suited for large upgrades.

zypper up -t package will not handle package renames, splits, arch-changes etc, gracefully. Factory upgrade does that. We are considering adding the distro upgrade to zypper. Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:13 +0200, Claes Bäckström wrote:

On 10/15/07, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote:

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zypper up -t package will not handle package renames, splits, arch-changes etc, gracefully. Factory upgrade does that.

We are considering adding the distro upgrade to zypper.

I would really love to see this feature. Shout out if you need help bug testing this feature or with other things that don't involve writing code.

Warm Regards, Claes Backstrom ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Count me in too! :) -- Regards, Aniruddha Please adhere to the OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_mailing_list_netiquette --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Hello,

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If you want to follow the bleeding edge you can use factory and incrementally upgrade your system every few days.

Can this system also be used to upgrade to a new stable version of openSUSE?

While I don't need incremental upgrade to get KDE betas or Gnome alphas, but I would like to incrementally upgrade current system, so after a time my opensuse 10.3 would evolve into 11.0 (KDE, kernel, yast, etc). I don't know if it is technically possible, but I would opt for slower release pace, however with ability to constantly incremental upgrade. So there would be no drastic change (for user) like now, when you upgrade whole system and wait what will crash first. For example: if it would be possible already in 10.2 I would upgrade the basesystem but left KDE intact because this version I used was well tested. I don't know, but probably Debian releases/upgrades work like this? have a nice day bye -- Maciej Pilichowski --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 11:02:28AM +0200, Aniruddha wrote:

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 18:37 +0200, Aniruddha wrote:

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Where can I find "yast -> software management, yast -> factory upgrade" exactly?

Can this system also be used to upgrade to a new stable version of openSUSE?

No-one knows? :(

Well, if you add the Factory repo and select the Upgrade option... it might be used for it. But it is not meant to be used for this at this time. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Den Thursday 25 October 2007 21:45:00 skrev Aniruddha:

Thank you for answer. And I am afraid the yast -> software management, yast -> factory upgrade" option doesn't exists ;D

Not all YaST modules are installed by default. That doesn't mean they don't exist... Can't remember if you were on 10.2 or 10.3.. for 10.3 .. zypper in yast2-update-FACTORY on 10.2 it was still called system update or something like that iirc. In the future support question should not be asked on this list, but on opensuse@opensuse.org. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Den Thursday 25 October 2007 22:22:17 skrev Aniruddha:

I am in 10.3. What do you mean with zypper in yast2-update-FACTORY?

That's the command to install the package. You can do it with YaST software management too if you prefer. .. Assuming you have Main Repository (OSS) enabled. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Den Saturday 13 October 2007 17:27:51 skrev Aniruddha:

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I wonder if there are any plans to make it possible to upgrade openSUSE to the next release (e.g. from 10.3 to 11) through 'openSUSE updater' or an other application. Much like the way Debian's apt and Gentoo's emerge works.

No-one? : 0

online "dist-upgrade" is a request I hear very, very often - especially around release time, of course. So if it could be made available in an officially supported way, it would probably be popular and attract more users. Personally I would never upgrade - with neither medium nor online. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org