[opensuse-project] Summit and Conference // social media
Any particular reason for having entries on Facebook dedicated exclusively for Summit and the European Conference appears nearly nowhere? Isn't this pure raw discrimination towards the people on the other side of sea ? You know SUSE started in Europe right ? NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 18:21 +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
Any particular reason for having entries on Facebook dedicated exclusively for Summit and the European Conference appears nearly nowhere? Isn't this pure raw discrimination towards the people on the other side of sea ?
You know SUSE started in Europe right ?
NM
Not meant to be discriminatory at all, please don't read more than it really meant. Each of the events are organized by a specific group of people. Yesterday, I did reach out to Michal to remind him that a Conference event page also needs to be created. It is important. Do realize that the Summit planning just happened to start much earlier than the Conference planning because we had known of our location and date much earlier than the Conference folks did. I am certain that in the next few days a Conference event page will be created. While I could create the page, and probably even you could, I did not want to jump ahead of whatever internal planning the Conference team might be working on. I will await Michal's response and offer assistance when requested. Give the Conference folks a chance, not only are they working hard to get ahead on Conference planning, they also had to deal with 12.2 release planning. To be fair, they had a lot more on their plate than we on the Summit team had. We are also learning good lessons on where we could have overlapped some duties and I am confident next year we'll do a much better job streamlining and staying ahead of the game. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2012-09-08 19:21, Nelson Marques wrote:
Any particular reason for having entries on Facebook dedicated exclusively for Summit and the European Conference appears nearly nowhere? Isn't this pure raw discrimination towards the people on the other side of sea ?
You know SUSE started in Europe right ?
Because Facebook is inherently considered evil and Europeans know better to not use it? :) (SUSE, the kernel guys, etc. are all onto G+. Owing to that is a certain professionality level of the service, probably.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Because Facebook is inherently considered evil and Europeans know better to not use it? :)
Think on this... If you want to deliever communication to an audience (ex: openSUSE users), isn't is expected that you use the channels (ex: facebook, G+) where you will find those users? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2012-09-08 19:47, Nelson Marques wrote:
Because Facebook is inherently considered evil and Europeans know better to not use it? :)
Think on this... If you want to deliever communication to an audience (ex: openSUSE users), isn't is expected that you use the channels (ex: facebook, G+) where you will find those users?
I'd wager to say "no". SUSE did not show up in my G+ stream before I had added Andreas Jaeger and/or Greg KH (to an otherwise empty or insignificant list). News sites like heise.de, lwn.net, i.e. tech sites, are a more prominent place, and also target the right audience, that is, people with at least a minimal understanding and interest in computers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
News sites like heise.de, lwn.net, i.e. tech sites, are a more prominent place, and also target the right audience, that is, people with at least a minimal understanding and interest in computers.
In the place where I work, there's over 800 developers, I would gladly claim that the vast majority has G+ and Facebook, and nearly no one has lwn.net subscriptions, and would even dare to claim that it's neither in their feeds. All of those have outstanding interest and understanding in this area; All of them work daily with Linux. But sure, have it your way. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2012-09-08 21:36, Nelson Marques wrote:
News sites like heise.de, lwn.net, i.e. tech sites, are a more prominent place, and also target the right audience, that is, people with at least a minimal understanding and interest in computers.
In the place where I work, there's over 800 developers, I would gladly claim that the vast majority has G+ and Facebook, and nearly no one has lwn.net subscriptions[...]
openSUSE announcements are for free, even on LWN :) If the majority has G+, all is good, isn't it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2012-09-08 at 21:38 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2012-09-08 21:36, Nelson Marques wrote:
News sites like heise.de, lwn.net, i.e. tech sites, are a more prominent place, and also target the right audience, that is, people with at least a minimal understanding and interest in computers.
In the place where I work, there's over 800 developers, I would gladly claim that the vast majority has G+ and Facebook, and nearly no one has lwn.net subscriptions[...]
openSUSE announcements are for free, even on LWN :)
If the majority has G+, all is good, isn't it?
Nelson's original post here was not about which social network we should be using, but abut why one conference got more attention on a particular network than the other conference. You've turned this thread into a discussion on which network is better for all to use. The fact is, it doesn't matter all that much about which one to use. All have their validity. And it is impossible to measure "majority" because there isn't a specific headcount of how many people exists in the community and how many exist outside of the community. On Facebook, the openSUSE Page has over 4,100 members and the openSUSE Group has over 6,700 members. This makes Facebook relevant regardless of who is on what network. These are our official openSUSE pages. There's a number of other unofficial openSUSE pages on Facebook that also has thousands total aggregate members. A significant number of registrations for openSUSE Summit come from the Facebook event invitation. That cannot be ignored. Good marketing tries to cover all the bases, not just a preferred one. Yes there are many who do not like Facebook and therefore use Google+. The same situation exists for Twitter vs. Identi.ca. That doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater and ignore one network over another. That simply makes for plain marketing nonsense. Nelson's original point in the first post still stands: We should give the Conference equal attention on Facebook as we do for the Summit. And to that, I say, give the Conference team time to set this up. They will in due time. Any discussion about whether we should give more attention to one network versus the other is silly and simply a waste of time and opportunity. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
A tip for you... A very long time ago I've wrote a Communication Matrix for Fedora [1]; This should've been covered by openSUSE Marketing a very long time ago... It on the base of such document that all comunication is developed (this includes the proper channels). As most people will see, that stuff covers my concerns; Covers Jan's concerns, Bryen's concerns and everything else you remember. I just thought it would be nice to share. NM [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communication_matrix -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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Nelson Marques