[opensuse-project] How to name the baby
OK, guys and girls, just as an alternative for those of you who can't warm up to LEAP or other names provided so far, here are two more (and my last) suggestions from my idea-sheet and some associations that may go with them. I'm sure, you will find the drawbacks yourself: openSUSE Emerald - dark-green - solid - durable (long term idea) - transparent - precious, a gem - "our finest" - something you want to have - something you want to keep openSUSE Base - solid - good starting point - something to build on - rather neutral - down to earth - factual - short - for work/business Have a good week! Rainer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 2015-06-29 11:04, Jay wrote:
just as an alternative for those of you who can't warm up to LEAP or other names provided so far, here are two more (and my last) suggestions from my idea-sheet and some associations that may go with them.
We should just stop. Actively looking for "identities" (names, attached meanings, even icons) is a disaster. The best things are those that unconciously come to mind, and after that, things that are totally unrelated (like the cone icon is to VLC). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 11:31:26 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:
On Monday 2015-06-29 11:04, Jay wrote:
just as an alternative for those of you who can't warm up to LEAP or other names provided so far, here are two more (and my last) suggestions from my idea-sheet and some associations that may go with them.
We should just stop.
How many names to choose from do we have? 5? 10? That's not too opulent for an important decision you have to live with for several years. You can always make a short-list!
Actively looking for "identities" (names, attached meanings, even icons) is a disaster.
Nonsense.Tell that the prof. name-finding-agencies and get LOL. Got a briefing and then wait 2 years until something pops up? You need a search-tension to come up with ideas - be it in science, advertising or anywhere else. If you're not looking for something how can you expect to find it?
The best things are those that unconciously come to mind, and after that, things that are totally unrelated (like the cone icon is to VLC).
Says who? And who says those names provided so far did NOT come up unconciously? They were provided later in the process - that's all. And BTW: apodictical statements like "The best this", "The only way that" "Without alternative" etc. are nothing but idea-killer-phrases and always suspect - at least to me. Rainer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 11:31:26 schrieb Jan Engelhardt: snip
We should just stop.
As an alternative: Set this Friday, 8 pm, as the deadline for new suggestions. Then make a list in alphabetical order. Put this to vote from asap after the deadline until Sunday, July 14th, 8 pm. Rainer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:48:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 11:31:26 schrieb Jan Engelhardt: snip
We should just stop.
As an alternative:
Set this Friday, 8 pm, as the deadline for new suggestions.
Then make a list in alphabetical order.
Put this to vote from asap after the deadline until Sunday, July 14th, 8 pm.
Rainer
Maybe we should see what we end up with before we decide what to name it. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 15:16:26 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:48:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 11:31:26 schrieb Jan Engelhardt: snip
We should just stop.
As an alternative:
Set this Friday, 8 pm, as the deadline for new suggestions.
Then make a list in alphabetical order.
Put this to vote from asap after the deadline until Sunday, July 14th, 8 pm.
Rainer
Maybe we should see what we end up with before we decide what to name it.
Jim
Jim, I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"! That means pre-marketing should kick into higher gear now. Concepts, wordings, graphics have to be prepared, discussed, revised, implemented etc. pp. And there's almost no time left! I really propose to use a new name for the baby! Because - if I see it rightly - the new release could mean no less than a new era for the project. Therefore it would be a sad waste of opportunity to simply call it just 13.3 or even 14! In my view, there's enough information to find and choose an appropriate one. Suggestions have been made. Hoping to find the perfect one is an illusion. Especially when you're running out of time. Rainer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"!
It's almost July - November isn't "tomorrow", it's 5 months down the road. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am 29.06.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"!
It's almost July - November isn't "tomorrow", it's 5 months down the road.
Still, we need to spread the word way before and without a proper name it's hard to talk about it. Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:37:46 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am 29.06.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"!
It's almost July - November isn't "tomorrow", it's 5 months down the road.
Still, we need to spread the word way before and without a proper name it's hard to talk about it.
Fair point. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 19:30:32 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"!
It's almost July - November isn't "tomorrow", it's 5 months down the road.
Jim
July, August, September, October: 4 months. I'd say that's ambitious for a well-planned, -prepared and -implemented launch of a key-product! In addition, the holiday season is beginning. But maybe things are different in the distro-world. Rainer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-06-29 21:59, Jay wrote:
July, August, September, October: 4 months.
Yep. I don't know about other parts of the world, but in mine we do very little in July-August. It's the holiday season. And at 35°C one doesn't feel too motivated to work, anyway ;-} - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWRro0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1zR6wEAiJyfoeLptbk4r9b3Z3j/UWLS K0PRn+WAhgpTiZ0iUl4A/3wi0f7XdM+UjHTy9TAV6gcOHNwIzg52eIxAB1oc+SMD =RX3i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 2015-06-29 22:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-06-29 21:59, Jay wrote:
July, August, September, October: 4 months.
Yep. I don't know about other parts of the world, but in mine we do very little in July-August. It's the holiday season. And at 35°C one doesn't feel too motivated to work, anyway ;-}
That's why offices have (and should have, if they don't yet) air conditioners - so that it does not get to 35 in the first place, and that people remain productive! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-06-30 00:12, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Monday 2015-06-29 22:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-06-29 21:59, Jay wrote:
July, August, September, October: 4 months.
Yep. I don't know about other parts of the world, but in mine we do very little in July-August. It's the holiday season. And at 35°C one doesn't feel too motivated to work, anyway ;-}
That's why offices have (and should have, if they don't yet) air conditioners - so that it does not get to 35 in the first place, and that people remain productive! ;-)
Yes, offices. Volunteers on their free time are not usually at the office ;-) Me, I'm not at home, I have much fewer resources now. I can't install any system, for instance. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWRyaMACgkQja8UbcUWM1zC5QD+Puzix/7Wn7Fj8s9TjLPjf2Xi vWIVTCihBkr5Aj+1pCYA/jQLtoESVK+1OD8jgAq+b6VzKuDGQvNrY15WGRUHI+Iz =YM3o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:59:40 +0200, Jay wrote:
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 19:30:32 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"!
It's almost July - November isn't "tomorrow", it's 5 months down the road.
Jim
July, August, September, October: 4 months.
I'd say that's ambitious for a well-planned, -prepared and -implemented launch of a key-product!
In addition, the holiday season is beginning.
But maybe things are different in the distro-world.
Maybe we should call it "Panic", then. ;) Fair point, carry on, then. But for a naming discussion, I think rather than starting by throwing names around, we should start with what the release is about. Usually if you start with naming, you try to fit the release to the name, when really it should be the other way around. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, June 29, 2015 09:11:26 PM Jim Henderson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:59:40 +0200, Jay wrote:
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 19:30:32 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"!
It's almost July - November isn't "tomorrow", it's 5 months down the road.
Jim
July, August, September, October: 4 months.
I'd say that's ambitious for a well-planned, -prepared and -implemented launch of a key-product!
In addition, the holiday season is beginning.
But maybe things are different in the distro-world.
Maybe we should call it "Panic", then. ;)
Fair point, carry on, then. But for a naming discussion, I think rather than starting by throwing names around, we should start with what the release is about. Usually if you start with naming, you try to fit the release to the name, when really it should be the other way around.
Jim
If we want to produce a nice marketing campaign we need time to plan it, align concepts and people for the proper actions on different platforms and scenarios. There are volunteers not paid people to spread the word. So limited time, resources and people to make it happen. After all this release is not an add-on to something existed before. So it deserve a special treatment. Regards, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:14:08 -0500, Rick Chung wrote:
If we want to produce a nice marketing campaign we need time to plan it, align concepts and people for the proper actions on different platforms and scenarios. There are volunteers not paid people to spread the word. So limited time, resources and people to make it happen.
I am aware of the volunteer nature of the community, thanks.
After all this release is not an add-on to something existed before. So it deserve a special treatment.
I'm convinced. So then, as a community, let's figure out what this release is about and *then* we can decide on naming. Naming before deciding what the release will be is putting the cart before the horse. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 01:22:01 AM Jim Henderson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:14:08 -0500, Rick Chung wrote:
If we want to produce a nice marketing campaign we need time to plan it, align concepts and people for the proper actions on different platforms and scenarios. There are volunteers not paid people to spread the word. So limited time, resources and people to make it happen.
I am aware of the volunteer nature of the community, thanks.
After all this release is not an add-on to something existed before. So it deserve a special treatment.
I'm convinced. So then, as a community, let's figure out what this release is about and *then* we can decide on naming. Naming before deciding what the release will be is putting the cart before the horse.
Jim
I got your point. +1 Let's start figure out what this release is about first and soon. Time is ticking ;-) Best Regards, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 30/06/2015 01:14, Rick Chung a écrit :
After all this release is not an add-on to something existed before. So it deserve a special treatment.
I don't know from where this November date come from, but I guess we have to see beta releases (and may be it's late November, so a month more) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-06-30 07:10, jdd wrote:
I don't know from where this November date come from, but I guess we have to see beta releases (and may be it's late November, so a month more)
- From here https://news.opensuse.org/2015/06/26/work-begins-on-totally-new-opensuse-rel... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWSawQACgkQja8UbcUWM1wabwD/bYVYNLw+qA5Pvxo1Oe3TtiAO 9WAQtAa1i7fM6xfXPYgA/is0R7CZuEpgfh3fz+/sLRRnOvWSzKzrm/lZlrqzcGr9 =1BD4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 30/06/2015 12:10, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
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On 2015-06-30 07:10, jdd wrote:
I don't know from where this November date come from, but I guess we have to see beta releases (and may be it's late November, so a month more)
- From here https://news.opensuse.org/2015/06/26/work-begins-on-totally-new-opensuse-rel...
oh, yes, I have read this on the mailing list (but didn't score the november). "Kulow said a milestone will be released soon." so will may have many answers soon :-) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 21:11:26 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:59:40 +0200, Jay wrote:
Am Montag, 29. Juni 2015, 19:30:32 schrieb Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:20 +0200, Jay wrote:
I've just read on pro-Linux.de that the launch is planned for November! Jeeeezzzzz -that's like: "tomorrow"!
It's almost July - November isn't "tomorrow", it's 5 months down the road.
Jim
July, August, September, October: 4 months.
I'd say that's ambitious for a well-planned, -prepared and -implemented launch of a key-product!
In addition, the holiday season is beginning.
But maybe things are different in the distro-world.
Maybe we should call it "Panic", then. ;)
Motto of the US-astronauts: "Never panic early!" We still got a few seconds left ;)
Fair point, carry on, then. But for a naming discussion, I think rather than starting by throwing names around, we should start with what the release is about. Usually if you start with naming, you try to fit the release to the name, when really it should be the other way around.
Jim
May be I leaped a bit too far ahead but I thought that would - in substance - be clear already: - Long-term-support (3 - 5 years) - ultimate stability (SUSE-packages) - plus room for openSUSE to make it really outstanding In short: a "SuperSUSE" ;) (just a joke - not a suggestion!) For more clues (and the launch date): https://news.opensuse.org/2015/06/26/work-begins-on-totally-new-opensuse-rel... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH99TSrfvq0 As you can see, this is already out in the public. So it seems to me it's perhaps not too early to slowly come to a conclusion about the name. Rainer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:13:19 +0200, Jay wrote:
But maybe things are different in the distro-world.
Maybe we should call it "Panic", then. ;)
Motto of the US-astronauts: "Never panic early!" We still got a few seconds left ;)
My comment was keeping in the theme of "42" (ie, H2G2 - "Don't Panic" being what's on the cover of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy). At least we haven't picked 2^267709:1 as a version number/string. ;) Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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