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Rainer Fiebig

5 May 2017 5 May '17

14:50

Hi! I'm the one who thought up and suggested "Leap" for the project's then new regular release. Although I left the project shortly thereafter, I still feel some sympathy and take a look when openSuse is in the news. And "15" couldn't be missed. As far as I have understood this matter, the move was made to better reflect sync with SLE and to simplify packaging-macros (or whatever). But those are technicals, "inside-out-thinking" and not a good guideline for marketing-decisions. What counts is perception by your customers, the users. And the "leap" backwards in numbering will undoubtedly cause disbelief and confusion. Now that's a difficult situation. But there seems to be some time until release. And there may be a way out. What came to my mind was "Leap 42.15" Following releases would be Leap 42.151, 42.16 etc. Quite simple. But by merging Leap and 42 into one - perhaps even stronger- brand name "Leap 42", you'd *have* incrementing version-numbers, avoid confusion and still exhibit sync with SLE. The task of public backpedalling wouldn't be too difficult (though indispensable and nice to watch also ;)). Perhaps you can't simplify your packaging-macros and perhaps future "leaps" would seem rather small. But that would be the bullets you'd have to bite. Pales in comparison to the effects that a "leap" back would create. Well, that's it - HTH. Good luck! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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Greg Freemyer

5 May 5 May

21:05

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Rainer Fiebig wrote:

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Hi!

I'm the one who thought up and suggested "Leap" for the project's then new regular release.

Although I left the project shortly thereafter, I still feel some sympathy and take a look when openSuse is in the news. And "15" couldn't be missed.

As far as I have understood this matter, the move was made to better reflect sync with SLE and to simplify packaging-macros (or whatever). But those are technicals, "inside-out-thinking" and not a good guideline for marketing-decisions.

What counts is perception by your customers, the users. And the "leap" backwards in numbering will undoubtedly cause disbelief and confusion.

Now that's a difficult situation. But there seems to be some time until release. And there may be a way out.

What came to my mind was

"Leap 42.15"

Following releases would be Leap 42.151, 42.16 etc.

Quite simple. But by merging Leap and 42 into one - perhaps even stronger- brand name "Leap 42", you'd *have* incrementing version-numbers, avoid confusion and still exhibit sync with SLE.

The task of public backpedalling wouldn't be too difficult (though indispensable and nice to watch also ;)).

Perhaps you can't simplify your packaging-macros and perhaps future "leaps" would seem rather small. But that would be the bullets you'd have to bite. Pales in comparison to the effects that a "leap" back would create.

Well, that's it - HTH.

Good luck!

Rainer Fiebig

I encourage the decision makers to consider this option. It seems the best so far that I've seen. It keeps the "Leap 42" message while also having the SLE 15 correlation. Thanks Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

22:21

Greg Freemyer composed on 2017-05-05 17:05 (UTC-0400):

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Rainer Fiebig wrote: ...

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Now that's a difficult situation. But there seems to be some time until release. And there may be a way out.

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What came to my mind was

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"Leap 42.15"

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Following releases would be Leap 42.151, 42.16 etc. ... I encourage the decision makers to consider this option. It seems the best so far that I've seen. It keeps the "Leap 42" message while also having the SLE 15 correlation.

I disagree. Labels that impersonate numbers are abominations. 42.3 is an increment from 42.15 everywhere in the world except in software versions. Let the software packages continue using labels that look like numbers, but in the marketing names exposed to the world's minions, apparent count should proceed only upward. 150 is the minimal increase from 42.3 that incorporates 15. Next release would be an opportune time to do as was Fedora born 13 years ago - void of special characters in its Gnu name. 150 for next would be a bona fide leap. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Łukasz 'Cyber Killer' Korpalski

6 May 6 May

05:54

Hello I'd like to chip in here also. I fully support going back to 15.x version numbers. The switch to 42.x had a horribly confusing effect on users (at least the ones around me that I saw). A lot of them were even calling these versions "OpenSUSE 4.2", the big numbering jump after 13.x being not understandable for their minds. And these were technical people. Going now with 15.x would reverse some of this confusion and the 42.x numbering will be forgotten in a few years. -- Łukasz "Cyber Killer" Korpalski sysadmin, aka a guy who's giving GNU/Linux systems to a lot of users mail: cyberkiller8@gmail.com xmpp: cyber_killer@jabster.pl site: http://www.ck40.ovh gpgkey: 0x72511999 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net //When replying to my e-mail, kindly please //write your message below the quoted text.