On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Andreas Jaeger said:

That was my first attempt as well ;-). Since the question is mainly about GNOME vs. KDE - and we only offer these two during installation, I decided to not add Xfce. If the consensus is that this is not a problem, I'm fine with the change...

Could you change 'choose' to 'chooses' while you're at it - I would do so but this page is locked. Will -- Desktop Engineer Interfaces and Applications Team --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Andrew Dorney said:

I assume you are referring to the sentence: "During installation, the user is asked to choose between GNOME and KDE but no default is given."

Choose is grammatically correct, as "to choose" is the proper infinitive form of the verb. "To chooses" is not an acceptable infinitive form.

I was talking about the other incidence of "choose" in that paragraph - the incorrect one. Now, get back to teacher college, sonny! Will -- Desktop Engineer Interfaces and Applications Team --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Tremblay wrote: [...]

around. The ZMD updater firmly and proudly in place in the tool tray, working

Just that it isn't ZMD.

perfectly without issue. The funniest part is that this is not the only obvious flattery to your work. A nicely working ZMD and "software installer" these are our tools, not theres. Should we invent while they implement and

Again, it's not ZMD. [...]

Please reconsider our pace, repackage 10.2, make a few additions and call it

Please *DON'T* repackage. Again, as it was mentioned in another thread, making a release, even if it is "just" a repackaged 10.2 involved a lot of work and resources in the SUSE team, which means they'll be "freezed" and won't be able to work on other stuff that is equally, if not much more important.

10.2.1 and work patiently to release 10.3 as next years absolute master piece this team is capable of.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2007-05/msg00002.html cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGQqqcr3NMWliFcXcRAvKhAJ41bubQ1gqfgcAeSwoukgei9ymdcwCgokIr PTUKtvyagdTSAY8oxTqMGSw= =nbR+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 10 May 2007 01:16, Pascal Bleser wrote:

James Tremblay wrote: [...]

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around. The ZMD updater firmly and proudly in place in the tool tray, working

Just that it isn't ZMD.

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perfectly without issue. The funniest part is that this is not the only obvious flattery to your work. A nicely working ZMD and "software installer" these are our tools, not theres. Should we invent while they implement and

Again, it's not ZMD.

It doesn't matter that it isn't ZMD under the hood they are packageing their update service to look exactly like ZMD for one purpose only , and it succeeded , I believed it to be our technology working for them and not us.

[...]

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Please reconsider our pace, repackage 10.2, make a few additions and call it

Please *DON'T* repackage. Again, as it was mentioned in another thread, making a release, even if it is "just" a repackaged 10.2 involved a lot of work and resources in the SUSE team, which means they'll be "freezed" and won't be able to work on other stuff that is equally, if not much more important.

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10.2.1 and work patiently to release 10.3 as next years absolute master piece this team is capable of.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2007-05/msg00002.html

cheers

OK, then retract my request for a repackage and dedicate all your efforts to 10.3 , the list of enhancements in the above link are more important than a repackage. But the significance of these enhancements will be overshadowed by any "bugs" we leave unattended\broken from the past. The October 4th release is a month less than a year from when 10.2 was released, is cutting time off the schedule in anyway important? As the recent survey results prove, the market we are hitting is tiny. If the total respondents is less than a million, and 27,000 is "way less", then we barely exist when extrapulated to all users of PC's or even just all users of Linux estimated at 30 million . It is imperative that our distribution receive only accolades at it's next and all further releases. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/accolades) no other mention of the release will be acceptable to the masses. Which failures translates into - don't even bother looking at the live cd, stay with XP and wait till you either can afford Vista or XP runs it's full course (now projected to be 2014). M$ just announced that it is starting a 3$ per seat licensing campaign for education desktops, which is aimed squarely at Ubuntu's progress in this market and any traction Novell is gaining with a $.50 per seat subscription for education. This increases the need for our "open" \ free version to be perfect because it is also the demo version for all those thinking about moving to linux and Novell in the Enterprise \ Education environment. Please if 10.3 is going to be the unwaivering goal of openSUSE this year , then all consideration to it's perfection (including ditching the timeline) must be foremost in your thoughts! p.s. please don't write off the education environment as "irrelevant" because in many towns in the U.S. the public school system is not only the largest employer but also the largest PC network around for miles. My school has 1150 students and a one to one ratio for PC's ( I have 480) is an expected goal. The towns population is a little over 11000 and our schools are the largest employer, because most of the residents work in the Boston area and travel here to sleep. Believe me when your bedroom community is this close to Boston,Waltham, Needham, etc you know that those traveling residence are technically savvy (as they are in many satellite towns due to the salary ranges of the people not only in computers, but finance, science, medicine, electronics, etc. ) and demand that I spend their money wiseley. So supporting anything that detracts from the educational processes of the other disciplines is unacceptable and I would soon be out of work. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Novell CNE 3\4\5 CLE \ NCE in training. http://en.opensuse.org/education --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Il giorno gio, 10/05/2007 alle 15.48 +0200, Martin Schlander ha scritto:

I do believe they had that updater before zen-updater was forced upon us.

Yes. It has been there since a lot of time. A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Il giorno mer, 09/05/2007 alle 23.52 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:

Please reconsider our pace, repackage 10.2, make a few additions and call it 10.2.1 and work patiently to release 10.3 as next years absolute master piece this team is capable of.

I also would like a good quality openSUSE since the final release, without waiting for patches, but remastering 10.2 now is not the point, in my opinion. I'd rather leave the team work on 10.3, whose quality is the real goal now, without putting pressure on it with unnecessary work. Regards, A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org