[opensuse-project] Re: Proposal for Decision Making Process for the formation of our Foundation
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 15:11:48 +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
There are topics like those raised in the ongoing name/logo thread, but I foresee many more in the future, regarding such as things like budgets, membership dues, etc.
Maybe I missed discussion about this, but "membership dues" is concerning to me - I think this project should continue to be driven by the people who do the work, not the people who make monetary contributions. As such, I wouldn't be in favor of individuals or organizations being able to buy influence in the project. I know there's a long history of people wanting to be able to give money to the project to help with costs, and I'm fine with that as long as membership and influence over the project isn't predicated on "he who has the gold makes the rules". My $0.02. ;) -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/06/2019 13:31, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 15:11:48 +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
There are topics like those raised in the ongoing name/logo thread, but I foresee many more in the future, regarding such as things like budgets, membership dues, etc.
Maybe I missed discussion about this, but "membership dues" is concerning to me - I think this project should continue to be driven by the people who do the work, not the people who make monetary contributions.
As such, I wouldn't be in favor of individuals or organizations being able to buy influence in the project.
I know there's a long history of people wanting to be able to give money to the project to help with costs, and I'm fine with that as long as membership and influence over the project isn't predicated on "he who has the gold makes the rules".
You didn't miss it, we didn't really have it yet other then covering it at the conference in places, the current plan is rules for membership will remain the same as at the moment so people giving money won't have a general impact on decisions like this. They might give us money so the project can go and do something it hasn't done in the past but that's a completely different thing. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:11:23 +0930, Simon Lees wrote:
You didn't miss it, we didn't really have it yet other then covering it at the conference in places, the current plan is rules for membership will remain the same as at the moment so people giving money won't have a general impact on decisions like this. They might give us money so the project can go and do something it hasn't done in the past but that's a completely different thing.
Thanks, Simon. It strikes me that mentioning something that controversial might turn some people off to the idea of a foundation to begin with, so I'm glad to see some clarification around this. I know for me, it'd be a non-starter, and I also know I'm not alone in that feeling. -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:11:23 +0930, Simon Lees wrote:
You didn't miss it, we didn't really have it yet other then covering it at the conference in places, the current plan is rules for membership will remain the same as at the moment so people giving money won't have a general impact on decisions like this. They might give us money so the project can go and do something it hasn't done in the past but that's a completely different thing.
Thanks, Simon. It strikes me that mentioning something that controversial might turn some people off to the idea of a foundation to begin with, so I'm glad to see some clarification around this.
I know for me, it'd be a non-starter, and I also know I'm not alone in that feeling. Please let's keep out speculations. And see my post in the admin section of
Op maandag 10 juni 2019 17:21:38 CEST schreef Jim Henderson: the forums, Jim. Board does ( and cannot ) change things like some benevolant ditcatorship. And, please let it be clear that this time it's not a kind of fork, a kind of openSUSE vs. $SUSE_OWNER, but rather a SUSE welcomed initiative from the openSUSE community. But, we do need some legal entity, sooner or later it will be a simple requirement in many countries. And we do not have much other proper - given our size and symbiotic relationship with SUSE that we all want to keep (safe) - options than a Foundation. The current membership is possible, there has been no discussion in the board about fees, dues. Me would be firmly against those in an 'over my dead body' manner. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Op maandag 10 juni 2019 20:53:52 CEST schreef Knurpht-openSUSE:
Op maandag 10 juni 2019 17:21:38 CEST schreef Jim Henderson:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:11:23 +0930, Simon Lees wrote:
You didn't miss it, we didn't really have it yet other then covering it at the conference in places, the current plan is rules for membership will remain the same as at the moment so people giving money won't have a general impact on decisions like this. They might give us money so the project can go and do something it hasn't done in the past but that's a completely different thing.
Thanks, Simon. It strikes me that mentioning something that controversial might turn some people off to the idea of a foundation to begin with, so I'm glad to see some clarification around this.
I know for me, it'd be a non-starter, and I also know I'm not alone in that feeling.
Please let's keep out speculations. And see my post in the admin section of the forums, Jim. Board does not !!!! ( and cannot ) change things like some benevolant ditcatorship. And, please let it be clear that this time it's not a kind of fork, a kind of openSUSE vs. $SUSE_OWNER, but rather a SUSE welcomed initiative from the openSUSE community.
But, we do need some legal entity, sooner or later it will be a simple requirement in many countries. And we do not have much other proper - given our size and symbiotic relationship with SUSE that we all want to keep (safe) - options than a Foundation. The current membership is possible, there has been no discussion in the board about fees, dues. Me would be firmly against those in an 'over my dead body' manner.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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