On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:36:39PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:

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The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.

Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions.

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Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle.

But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information.

There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .)

Tumbleweed is a rolling release and so ... there will not be huge leaps for Tumbleweed, just continuous rolling ;) And it is not 4GB of data every snapshot, its way less. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

W dniu 05.11.2015 o 14:14, Luiz Fernando Ranghetti pisze:

2015-11-05 11:02 GMT-02:00 Marcus Meissner :

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On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:36:39PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:

There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .)

Tumbleweed is a rolling release and so ... there will not be huge leaps for Tumbleweed, just continuous rolling ;)

And it is not 4GB of data every snapshot, its way less.

Also, every week there is the Dominique review of week mail in this list, Facebook, his blog and there is a blog about it in https://news.opensuse.org/ like that:

https://news.opensuse.org/2015/10/28/rolling-awesome-of-the-day/

I think Tumbleweed will get some additional spotlight, because it's the only place to get a 32 bit OpenSUSE now, that Leap is 64 bit only. Apart from my main workstations and servers, I do still need something to run on my atom netbook and a couple of other old machines that I maintain for neighbors, friends and family. -- Łukasz "Cyber Killer" Korpalski mail: cyberkiller8@gmail.com xmpp: cyber_killer@jabster.pl site: http://website.cybkil.cu.cc gpgkey: 0x72511999 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net //When replying to my e-mail, kindly please //write your message below the quoted text.

On 2015-11-05 14:53, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Donnerstag 05 November 2015, 14:25:17 schrieb Łukasz 'Cyber Killer' Korpalski:

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a couple of other old machines that I maintain for neighbors, friends and family.

...how old are those? I just poked my SEVEN YEAR old laptop, and that thing already does 64bit...

I also have 32 bit machines running, mine or not. Yes, they are old. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Le 05/11/2015 14:53, Mathias Homann a écrit :

Am Donnerstag 05 November 2015, 14:25:17 schrieb Łukasz 'Cyber Killer' Korpalski:

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a couple of other old machines that I maintain for neighbors, friends and family.

...how old are those? I just poked my SEVEN YEAR old laptop, and that thing already does 64bit...

Cheers Mathias

this modern coputer: https://www.asus.com/fr/Notebooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/HelpDesk_Download/ have 64 bits procesor but 32 bits bios (and 32 bits windows) and so can't boot any 64 bit efi pen drive jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Le 06/11/2015 09:35, Michal Kubecek a écrit :

On Thursday 05 of November 2015 15:32:21 jdd wrote:

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this modern coputer:

https://www.asus.com/fr/Notebooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/HelpDesk_Download/

have 64 bits procesor but 32 bits bios (and 32 bits windows) and so can't boot any 64 bit efi pen drive

Not true.

Michal Kubeček

do not boot any 13.2, not 32 bits nor 64 bits... jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Le 06/11/2015 10:46, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

I understand it will not be able to boot any EFI device, but it should be able to boot BIOS devices. Traditional booting.

it don't. BIOS is extremely mnimal and a so called CSM option do not works (at least on openSUSE 13.2 32 bits). very striped down computer :-( jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Le 06/11/2015 11:07, Michal Kubecek a écrit :

On Friday 06 of November 2015 10:02:59 jdd wrote:

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do not boot any 13.2, not 32 bits nor 64 bits...

One example is far from "any".

It's possible to boot a 64-bit linux system on a machine with 32-bit UEFI. Our 13.2 media can't boot there as support in kernel and grub is needed. We have bsc#935027 and fate#318252 for that.

this machine do not even see the usb pen drive (neither 13.2 32 bitd nor 13.2 64 bits. Debian new Jessie dvd is hybrid (64/32) openSUSE leap 64 bits is not even seen by virtualbox 32 bits uefi neither (not surprising). I'm doing many install parties and will have two important ones in future weeks, and I don't like to dismiss :-) jdd -- When will a Label sign her!!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=94&v=BeMk3WRh8QI -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 2015-11-05 15:42, Łukasz 'Cyber Killer' Korpalski wrote:

But anyway, the bottom line is - these machines still work and get some stuff done, so why throw them away?

Keep using 13.1 on them, that's the only thing we can do. TW is a possibility, but... for how long? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

W dniu 05.11.2015 o 19:00, jdd pisze:

Le 05/11/2015 18:56, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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Keep using 13.1 on them, that's the only thing we can do. TW is a possibility, but... for how long?

no tw 32 bits on the official page :-(

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_installation Unless my browser cache plays games with me, I see links to i586 images pretty clearly :-). For how long? I got no idea, though I wouldn't expect most of these 32 bit machines to last longer than another 5 years, maybe 10. Shorter if something finally moves in the cpu world and we get some real performance increase (then they would be too slow for anything). I wouldn't count on intel to bring something like that though, they seem to be happy selling cpus at 2% performance increase for 2x the price :-P. So unless amd cooks something up or arm cpus get up to speed, we all might see quite a lot of legacy hardware still being used, for some time. How long is Tumbleweed going to keep 32bit? I didn't see any announcement on ending yet (might have missed it though). I'd be happy to throw a donation from time to time for the effort, though. -- Łukasz "Cyber Killer" Korpalski mail: cyberkiller8@gmail.com xmpp: cyber_killer@jabster.pl site: http://website.cybkil.cu.cc gpgkey: 0x72511999 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net //When replying to my e-mail, kindly please //write your message below the quoted text.

Am Donnerstag, 5. November 2015, 18:56:35 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

On 2015-11-05 15:42, Łukasz 'Cyber Killer' Korpalski wrote:

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But anyway, the bottom line is - these machines still work and get some stuff done, so why throw them away?

Keep using 13.1 on them, that's the only thing we can do. TW is a possibility, but... for how long?

Is 13.1 not supposed to be Evergreen? Thats a pity that Leap does not have a 32bit release..... Cheers Ax -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Torsdag den 5. november 2015 18:56:35 skrev Carlos E. R.:

On 2015-11-05 15:42, Łukasz 'Cyber Killer' Korpalski wrote:

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But anyway, the bottom line is - these machines still work and get some stuff done, so why throw them away?

Keep using 13.1 on them, that's the only thing we can do. TW is a possibility, but... for how long?

13.1 will get Evergreen. But 13.2 will also be supported until two months after Leap 42.2 release - that means a minimum of 14 months from now. And if SLE12sp2 should happen to not get released like clockwork one year from now, that would mean even longer lifetime for 13.2. I also have a Fujitsu Siemens laptop with an Intel Core Duo processor that's for sale now at a very low price btw. :-| -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/11/15 00:02, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:36:39PM +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:

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The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.

Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions. [rest pruned]

Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle.

But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information.

There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .) Tumbleweed is a rolling release and so ... there will not be huge leaps for Tumbleweed, just continuous rolling ;)

And it is not 4GB of data every snapshot, its way less.

Ciao, Marcus

Oh, whatever made me think that - how silly of me. Let's see, latest snapshot of 20151030 is .. yes ... only 4.4GB big. http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso/openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-x86_64-C.... And so was the previous one, and the one before that..... But that was not the real question in my post: is Tumbleweed now permanently allocated to the Factory or is it finally gets its place in the sun as a proper openSUSE distro? BC -- Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.2.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Torsdag den 5. november 2015 15:36:39 skrev Basil Chupin:

will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY

Have you seen http://opensuse.org recently? There Tumblewed is promoted _over_ Leap - at least for any reader reading left to right. That's a little bit too much respect for my tastes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Dne 05.11.2015 v 5:36 Basil Chupin napsal(a):

On 05/11/15 03:29, Richard Brown wrote:

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The wait is over and a new era begins for openSUSE releases. Contributors, friends and fans can now download the first Linux hybrid distro openSUSE Leap 42.1. Since the last release, exactly one year ago, openSUSE transformed its development process to create an entirely new type of hybrid Linux distribution called openSUSE Leap.

Version 42.1 is the first version of openSUSE Leap that uses source from SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) providing a level of stability that will prove to be unmatched by other Linux distributions.

[rest pruned]

Right, so it has now been released into the wilds of the IT jungle.

But I do note that the announcement wasn't even sent to the 'main' openSUSE list called opensuse@opensuse.org where every man and his dog go to find information.

There is also mention of Tumbleweed - which raises another good question: will Tumbelweed ever come out of the closet and be given the proper respect it deserves or will it be still only be whispered about in the mystic land called FACTORY and the only time 'we' will hear about TW is when an announcement is made that a new "snapshot" - worth 4.4GB of data - has been released? (Mention Tumbleweed in HELP and you will get a clip behind the ear from Patrick - or will this now change? :-) .) No

Cheers Martin Pluskal