[opensuse-project] community references
I've started to collect some references that could be relevant for our openSUSE community. As the Community statement states, we'd like to have a friendly, welcoming, vibrant, and active community - and grow it. openSUSE is a unique community project. Communities seems to be one of the web 2.0 buzz words and therefore a lot gets written about how to create and keep a lively and healthy community. Some of that is relevant for openSUSE as well. This page collects - mainly links - to information about community projects and their best practices. The goal is a reference for those that like to look beyond our own openSUSE community to learn from others. The URL is: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Community_references Remy already polished and added stuff and I'd like you to invite updating the page - and using it, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
From: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:aj@novell.com] I've started to collect some references that could be relevant for our openSUSE community.
As the Community statement states, we'd like to have a friendly, welcoming, vibrant, and active community - and grow it. openSUSE is a unique community project. Communities seems to be one of the web 2.0 buzz words and therefore a lot gets written about how to create and keep a lively and healthy community. Some of that is relevant for openSUSE as well. This page collects - mainly links - to information about community projects and their best practices. The goal is a reference for those that like to look beyond our own openSUSE community to learn from others.
The URL is: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Community_references
Remy already polished and added stuff and I'd like you to invite updating the page - and using it,
Andreas
A core part of this information should be research and analysis of what actually happens rather than what people think does / should happen. Does anyone have any links to such research into how FLOSS communities actually behave? Has Novell / openSUSE done such analysis? David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 13:19:22 Administrator wrote:
A core part of this information should be research and analysis of what actually happens rather than what people think does / should happen. Does anyone have any links to such research into how FLOSS communities actually behave? Has Novell / openSUSE done such analysis?
Do you mean research like the one on Fedora ("BETA: An Exploration of Fedora’s Online Open Source Development Community")? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 13:19:22 Administrator wrote:
A core part of this information should be research and analysis of what actually happens rather than what people think does / should happen. Does anyone have any links to such research into how FLOSS communities actually behave? Has Novell / openSUSE done such analysis?
Do you mean research like the one on Fedora ("BETA: An Exploration of Fedora's Online Open Source Development Community")?
Andreas
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE? I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week (and can no longer find) which analysed contributors' activities to projects in the community from the logs rather than from what people say. It showed (unsurprisingly) that very few people contribute the majority of activity, and that they do so over long periods of time. It also showed that very few areas have more than 1 or 2 active contributors, and that most projects die when their originators move on to other areas. But, as I said, I can no longer find that piece of research :-( David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 24. august 2010 14:49:46 skrev Administrator:
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 13:19:22 Administrator wrote:
A core part of this information should be research and analysis of what actually happens rather than what people think does / should happen.
Does
anyone have any links to such research into how FLOSS communities
actually
behave? Has Novell / openSUSE done such analysis?
Do you mean research like the one on Fedora ("BETA: An Exploration of Fedora's Online Open Source Development Community")?
Andreas
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE?
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week
Speaking of these things, it would be interesting if we had stats of how many packages in factory are maintained by volunteers and employees respectively. And even more interesting if we had stats from 11.2 or older to compare with. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 15:10:29 Martin Schlander wrote:
Speaking of these things, it would be interesting if we had stats of how many packages in factory are maintained by volunteers and employees respectively. And even more interesting if we had stats from 11.2 or older to compare with.
You should be able to run osc maintainer -v -e openSUSE:Factory $package - and iterate over all packages. But even that does not give an accurate view, e.g.: $ osc maintainer -v -e openSUSE:Factory gtk2 Following to the development space: GNOME:Factory/gtk2 bugowner of GNOME:Factory/gtk2 : - maintainer of GNOME:Factory/gtk2 : vuntz@novell.com But I know that Vincent has a whole team of people that work with him on the package... Going through the changes files looks more interesting and the only option I found. A simple grep shows for packages checked right now into openSUSE:Factory that in June we had (and I just run grep for @novell.com): Contributors - I sorted the lines and run uniq on the email addresses: Novell unique count: 79 Non-Novell unique count:34 Changes - I just grepped through all changes date messages: Novell changes: 992 Non-Novell changes:282 Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Tuesday 2010-08-24 15:10, Martin Schlander wrote:
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE?
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week
Speaking of these things, it would be interesting if we had stats of how many packages in factory are maintained by volunteers and employees respectively. And even more interesting if we had stats from 11.2 or older to compare with.
Factory is only maintained by Novell AFAICS. So you would have to follow the develproject "symlinks" to actually get an accurate picture. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 8/24/10 5:28 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2010-08-24 15:10, Martin Schlander wrote:
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE?
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week
Speaking of these things, it would be interesting if we had stats of how many packages in factory are maintained by volunteers and employees respectively. And even more interesting if we had stats from 11.2 or older to compare with.
Factory is only maintained by Novell AFAICS. So you would have to follow the develproject "symlinks" to actually get an accurate picture.
I have to disagree there. I have one package in Factory since before 11.3 was released and as time allows, there will be more. Now in this case I am also upstream, but that is not solely a determining criteria, nor will this prevent me or others from maintaining packages where we are not upstream. The limiting factor for having more non-Novell folks working on Factory is certainly not infrastructure. OBS makes is easy, nor from what I see is any limit placed by Novell. Simply it takes time for folks to learn the process for creating the entire distro, as well as the Novell folks having the time to mentor people as well. There are docs and the wiki, but there are still areas where this could be better documented or clearer. This is a learn as you go period for everyone. The Novell folks need time to learn what community packagers are capable of doing well, as well as time for the community packagers to understand the entire process. The openess of collaboration is one "marketing feature" of openSUSE which needs to be part of the "value proposition" when we market the project, as well as the distro. Just my 0.02 Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 17:28:55 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2010-08-24 15:10, Martin Schlander wrote:
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE?
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week
Speaking of these things, it would be interesting if we had stats of how many packages in factory are maintained by volunteers and employees respectively. And even more interesting if we had stats from 11.2 or older to compare with.
Factory is only maintained by Novell AFAICS. So you would have to follow the develproject "symlinks" to actually get an accurate picture.
The checkin and thus the review to factory is done by some Novell engineers but factory is maintained via the devel projects and thus factory is not maintained by Novell at all, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:09:50AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 17:28:55 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2010-08-24 15:10, Martin Schlander wrote:
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE?
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week
Speaking of these things, it would be interesting if we had stats of how many packages in factory are maintained by volunteers and employees respectively. And even more interesting if we had stats from 11.2 or older to compare with.
Factory is only maintained by Novell AFAICS. So you would have to follow the develproject "symlinks" to actually get an accurate picture.
The checkin and thus the review to factory is done by some Novell engineers but factory is maintained via the devel projects and thus factory is not maintained by Novell at all,
Easy way is btw to parse the .changes logfiles in the packages to see who did changes. And probably someone did it already. (some novell employees might use @opensuse.org addresses too like vuntz, but if its not @suse* or @novell.com, it is usually an external contributor. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:09:50AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 17:28:55 Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2010-08-24 15:10, Martin Schlander wrote:
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE?
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week
Speaking of these things, it would be interesting if we had stats of how many packages in factory are maintained by volunteers and employees respectively. And even more interesting if we had stats from 11.2 or older to compare with.
Factory is only maintained by Novell AFAICS. So you would have to follow the develproject "symlinks" to actually get an accurate picture.
The checkin and thus the review to factory is done by some Novell engineers but factory is maintained via the devel projects and thus factory is not maintained by Novell at all,
Easy way is btw to parse the .changes logfiles in the packages to see who did changes. Just to understand it as someone not used to building and maintaining
On 08/09/10 07:50, Marcus Meissner wrote: packages: Would that not cause just a change of the files and the repositories and so a change to the .changes logfiles itself? Or where are the .changes logfiles comming from? Not from something like that: http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/non-oss/ChangeLog but from a git like thing? If something could be done manually by copy and paste (which normally needs not much brain power) could it not also be done automatically?
And probably someone did it already.
(some novell employees might use @opensuse.org addresses too like vuntz, but if its not @suse* or @novell.com, it is usually an external contributor.
Regards Martin (pistazienfresser) -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 14:49:46 Administrator wrote:
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 13:19:22 Administrator wrote:
A core part of this information should be research and analysis of what actually happens rather than what people think does / should happen.
Does
anyone have any links to such research into how FLOSS communities
actually
behave? Has Novell / openSUSE done such analysis?
Do you mean research like the one on Fedora ("BETA: An Exploration of Fedora's Online Open Source Development Community")?
Andreas
Thanks Andreas. You're ahead of me. Anything like that for openSUSE?
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week (and can no longer find) which analysed contributors' activities to projects in the community from the logs rather than from what people say. It showed (unsurprisingly) that very few people contribute the majority of activity, and that they do so over long periods of time. It also showed that very few areas have more than 1 or 2 active contributors, and that most projects die when their originators move on to other areas.
Interesting.
But, as I said, I can no longer find that piece of research :-(
Next time, please add such a reference if you find it usefull for a broader audience ;) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Tuesday 2010-08-24 14:49, Administrator wrote:
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week (and can no longer find) which analysed contributors' activities to projects in the community from the logs rather than from what people say. It showed (unsurprisingly) that very few people contribute the majority of activity, and that they do so over long periods of time.
This power law distribution seems to be pretty common among free software communities, so it's not something that would deserve overly much shouting about. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
I was also thinking of a piece of research I read last week (and can no longer find) which analysed contributors' activities to projects in the community from the logs rather than from what people say. It showed (unsurprisingly) that very few people contribute the majority of activity, and that they do so over long periods of time.
This power law distribution seems to be pretty common among free software communities, so it's not something that would deserve overly much shouting about.
That's the reason for talking about it. The implications of a power law distribution are significant, and the difference between the status people claim and the actuality is also significant. Both need to be understood if the community is to be developed. David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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