[opensuse-project] Unable to Install cause of too old drivers, due to long release cycles
Dear List, I had the problem that on my server computer the mainboard crashed. So I had to buy a new one and tried to use the old CPU, Memory, Grapik and Storage. As the Intel 775 Socket is widely known it was easy to find a suitable board, but the old chipset wasn't reachable. As I had to buy a new and not a used one, it was ok for me to fetch a modern chipset. But openSuSE 11,1 was unable to boot, because cdrom or storage weren't excessible( not found). This was due to the new chipset. I use SuSe for many year's as a user and not so far as an admin. That's why I was unable to solve the problem. As I had no ideas I used other distro's. All of them had the same problem, since there came a new release. After a new release I was able to boot and successfully install the other distro's. As SuSestudio was launched I hoped my dreams come through and I will be able to build just a small one for myself for installation. But it was not possible, even the new builded one's crashed. For the opensuse studio I need an "updated" Kernel & driver just to boot modern hardware. After that I will be able to come along. My intension is to give a distribution a new "Kernel & Driver" without testing and verifying the hole buch of software. The endusersoftware and features should kept untouched.So the release has the same usability/features. To get it clear: These "Kernel"-releases are only for installation issues during boot and absolutely not for any software problem. For software issues is the updater ok and does a good work (in my opinion). I am worrying about the release cycles of 8 months as very long hope you find my tip useful just to help the community to install on modern hardware. regards Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Lars Steen wrote:
Dear List,
I had the problem that on my server computer the mainboard crashed. So I had to buy a new one and tried to use the old CPU, Memory, Grapik and Storage. As the Intel 775 Socket is widely known it was easy to find a suitable board, but the old chipset wasn't reachable.
How old are we talking about here? I have openSUSE running on hardware at least 10 years old with no problems.
As I had to buy a new and not a used one, it was ok for me to fetch a modern chipset. But openSuSE 11,1 was unable to boot, because cdrom or storage weren't excessible( not found). This was due to the new chipset.
Lars, you'll have to provide some more information. If openSUSE 11.1 was unable to boot, you've obviously managed to install it. If you then can't boot due to CD and disk not being found, that sounds a lot like a boot loader issue. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi seems I was a little too fast. Per Jessen schrieb:
Lars Steen wrote:
Dear List,
I had the problem that on my server computer the mainboard crashed. So I had to buy a new one and tried to use the old CPU, Memory, Grapik and Storage. As the Intel 775 Socket is widely known it was easy to find a suitable board, but the old chipset wasn't reachable.
Let me describe the bootscene a bit detailed: First: no OS is installed. I switch the power-button and insert the openSuSE 11.1 CD. After the Bios had started normally, the window of the bootprompt becomes visible. Then the bootable CD is found by the Bios and starting/going further with the CD. Some lines passes the screen, then when it tries to start the screen becomes black, even after hours no progress.
How old are we talking about here? The "old" board was an Intel DP35DP, which has a P35 Express Chipset.
As I had to buy a new and not a used one, it was ok for me to fetch a modern chipset. But openSuSE 11,1 was unable to boot, because cdrom or storage weren't excessible( not found). This was due to the new chipset.
Lars, you'll have to provide some more information. If openSUSE 11.1 was unable to boot, you've obviously managed to install it. No(see above) No installation was possible. To describe the new boards: Intel DQ43AP with a Q43 Express Chipset. either ASRock P45XE with a P45 and ICH10
As I tried above the installation is not possible during boot regards Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Lars Steen
As I tried above the installation is not possible during boot
Have you tried 11.2 yet? (Milestone 6 will be available Monday.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Lars Steen wrote:
To describe the new boards: Intel DQ43AP with a Q43 Express Chipset.
I suspect openSUSE 11.1 might not have the correct support for using that graphics chipset. I can't be certain without seeing the output of 'lspci -v', but that's my guess. I looked in the pci.ids that comes with a vanilla 11.1, and there's no mention of that chipset.
either ASRock P45XE with a P45 and ICH10
As I tried above the installation is not possible during boot
Like Mark suggested, I think you need to try the latest 11.2 Milestone. I think those graphics chipsets may be too new for openSUSE 11.1. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen schrieb:
Lars Steen wrote:
To describe the new boards: Intel DQ43AP with a Q43 Express Chipset.
...and there's no mention of that chipset.
Exact, that's why I started this thread.
Like Mark suggested, I think you need to try the latest 11.2 Milestone. I think those graphics chipsets may be too new for openSUSE 11.1.
Correct, a new release will fix the problem. What I tried to say in my post's are: such an "issue" might happen in the future more often, because The release cycles of hardware are getting shorter, but the releases of distro's are not. Every distro has such problem. In the case of openSuSE the release cycles had become one of the longest, while such a problem might grow in the userfield. I wanted to start a discussion how the community, which openSuSE is just a part of, can keep up with the hardware industry. My idea was that not the whole distro has shorter releases, but only the "Kernel and Driver's for booting". So the features and scope of a release is the same in a SUBrelease, but the supported newer hardware is growing. What do you think? I'm intrested Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Lars Steen wrote:
Per Jessen schrieb:
Lars Steen wrote:
To describe the new boards: Intel DQ43AP with a Q43 Express Chipset.
...and there's no mention of that chipset.
Exact, that's why I started this thread.
Like Mark suggested, I think you need to try the latest 11.2 Milestone. I think those graphics chipsets may be too new for openSUSE 11.1.
Correct, a new release will fix the problem. What I tried to say in my post's are: such an "issue" might happen in the future more often, because The release cycles of hardware are getting shorter, but the releases of distro's are not. Every distro has such problem.
Most hardware+BIOS will have a compatibility mode of some sort. E.g. for graphics, if the chipset is not directly supported with its own drivers, VESA mode is the fall-back. Something similar goes for lots of disk drivers. I also know of cases where the fall-back mode didn't work, but in general it does.
In the case of openSuSE the release cycles had become one of the longest, while such a problem might grow in the userfield.
Many users actually appreciate a longer release-cycle. To support new hardware, you have intermediate upgrades.
I wanted to start a discussion how the community, which openSuSE is just a part of, can keep up with the hardware industry.
Without the support of the hardware industry, only with great difficulty.
My idea was that not the whole distro has shorter releases, but only the "Kernel and Driver's for booting".
Intermediate upgrades is the answer. It won't necessarily work for a fresh install of software that is older than the latest hardware, but the same applies to any other operating system on the market. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Can you boot ANY linux distribution on this? Like System Rescue CD?
then do a dmesg at the prompt and give us output on the chipsets the
kernel detects?
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
Check the bios settings, make sure it is enabled for plug and play
OS... I kernel paniced last week on a new board on everything I tried
to load until I turned that setting on.
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Per Jessen
Lars Steen wrote:
Dear List,
I had the problem that on my server computer the mainboard crashed. So I had to buy a new one and tried to use the old CPU, Memory, Grapik and Storage. As the Intel 775 Socket is widely known it was easy to find a suitable board, but the old chipset wasn't reachable.
How old are we talking about here? I have openSUSE running on hardware at least 10 years old with no problems.
As I had to buy a new and not a used one, it was ok for me to fetch a modern chipset. But openSuSE 11,1 was unable to boot, because cdrom or storage weren't excessible( not found). This was due to the new chipset.
Lars, you'll have to provide some more information. If openSUSE 11.1 was unable to boot, you've obviously managed to install it. If you then can't boot due to CD and disk not being found, that sounds a lot like a boot loader issue.
/Per Jessen, Zürich
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Can you boot ANY linux distribution on this? Yes, without touching the bios is kubuntu9.04 installed and ran "out of
Hi I think it got clear in my other post, but: Jason Perlow schrieb: the box" without any issues, except I'm new to ubuntu or debian. But the first installation worked without consulting any forum or something else. As described in the other post: I knew that the issue will be solved by a new release. But I see a gap for the community, while the release cycles of hardware getting shorter and from the distro is getting longer. As in my case, when hardware crashes and you want to use new one you should be able to install. This won't work with longer release cycles of the complete distro. That's why I think about a SUBrelease. regards Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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