[opensuse-project] RFC: Naming 'borderline' a derivate of openSUSE 12.2
Hi all, As some are aware I've hammered down MATE (though it still a lot of polishing) for openSUSE; I'm make a small iso with Kiwi and I was planning to call it 'Borderline'. This is a pure openSUSE 12.2 without any changes which defaults to MATE and LightDM. The MATE implementation is upstream (with some tweaks done directly on mate packages so I don't have to follow the road of pain with branding) and is mainly the same used by openSUSE. In addition this will get: - Armored with all sort of codecs available (gstreamer/ffmpeg and friends (ex: libdvdcss2)); - Font Rendering through Infinality - Other stuff I might find interesting. Is openSUSE ok with the usage of 'borderline' for a derivative? Why I ask this is because 'borderline' is a mental disturbance and somehow rare, in a way close to bi-polarity. This is a cool metaphore :) (borderline-project.eu will come soon). While I don't get own branding, this will be 'based on openSUSE'. NM PS: Cool name! [1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 09 September 2012 23:55:53 Nelson Marques wrote:
Hi all,
As some are aware I've hammered down MATE (though it still a lot of polishing) for openSUSE; I'm make a small iso with Kiwi and I was planning to call it 'Borderline'. This is a pure openSUSE 12.2 without any changes which defaults to MATE and LightDM. The MATE implementation is upstream (with some tweaks done directly on mate packages so I don't have to follow the road of pain with branding) and is mainly the same used by openSUSE. In addition this will get:
- Armored with all sort of codecs available (gstreamer/ffmpeg and friends (ex: libdvdcss2)); - Font Rendering through Infinality - Other stuff I might find interesting.
Is openSUSE ok with the usage of 'borderline' for a derivative? Why I ask this is because 'borderline' is a mental disturbance and somehow rare, in a way close to bi-polarity. This is a cool metaphore :) (borderline-project.eu will come soon).
I join Helen in saying the term is OK to use. Cool project, too. Want to do an article or something like that on it?
While I don't get own branding, this will be 'based on openSUSE'.
NM
PS: Cool name!
[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder
On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 10:55:50 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Sunday 09 September 2012 23:55:53 Nelson Marques wrote:
As some are aware I've hammered down MATE (though it still a lot of polishing) for openSUSE; I'm make a small iso with Kiwi and I was planning to call it 'Borderline'. This is a pure openSUSE 12.2 without any changes which defaults to MATE and LightDM. The MATE implementation is upstream (with some tweaks done directly on mate packages so I don't have to follow the road of pain with branding) and
is mainly the same used by openSUSE. In addition this will get: - Armored with all sort of codecs available (gstreamer/ffmpeg and
friends (ex: libdvdcss2));
- Font Rendering through Infinality - Other stuff I might find interesting.
Is openSUSE ok with the usage of 'borderline' for a derivative? Why I ask this is because 'borderline' is a mental disturbance and somehow rare, in a way close to bi-polarity. This is a cool metaphore :) (borderline-project.eu will come soon).
I join Helen in saying the term is OK to use. Cool project, too. Want to do an article or something like that on it?
What happened to following or observing our trademark guidelines (*)? AFAIU any respin, even ones just reshuffling the official openSUSE:* packages, should be debranded to basedonopensuse branding, and anything using packages out of other repos such as what Nelson suggests or the KDE Reloaded respins, should be completely de-trademarked. Will * http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf PS, Jos, please don't set Reply-To: when posting to a mailing list. -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Board, Booster, KDE Developer SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
What happened to following or observing our trademark guidelines (*)? AFAIU any respin, even ones just reshuffling the official openSUSE:* packages, should be debranded to basedonopensuse branding, and anything using packages out of other repos such as what Nelson suggests or the KDE Reloaded respins, should be completely de-trademarked.
Will, The effort with X11:MATE might take it to openSUSE, but there's still a long road ahead; regarding the branding, sure I can rebrand everything, but I do have a question for you... Why debrand everything (mainly artwork) and leave for example: nmarques@gangrena:~> lsb_release -id Distributor ID: SUSE LINUX Description: openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64) I suppose that debranding should also cover issues like LSB, no? I mean it sounds really silly that one is required to debrand artwork, but not the rest like LSB, specially when most of the artwork hasn't got logos and even then, it sounds to me they could still be used under 'fair usage'. So, before going on debranding operations, how do I debrand the LSB part to something like JeOS? Please help :) NM --- Artigo 21 - Direito à Resistência Todos têm o direito de resistir a qualquer ordem que ofensa os seus direitos, liberdades e garantias e de repelir pela força qualquer agressão, quando não seja possível recorrer à autoridade pública. Constituição da Républica Portuguesa -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:03:31 Nelson Marques wrote:
What happened to following or observing our trademark guidelines (*)? AFAIU any respin, even ones just reshuffling the official openSUSE:* packages, should be debranded to basedonopensuse branding, and anything using packages out of other repos such as what Nelson suggests or the KDE Reloaded respins, should be completely de-trademarked.
Will,
The effort with X11:MATE might take it to openSUSE, but there's still a long road ahead; regarding the branding, sure I can rebrand everything, but I do have a question for you... Why debrand everything (mainly artwork) and leave for example:
nmarques@gangrena:~> lsb_release -id Distributor ID: SUSE LINUX Description: openSUSE 12.2 (x86_64)
I suppose that debranding should also cover issues like LSB, no? I mean it sounds really silly that one is required to debrand artwork, but not the rest like LSB, specially when most of the artwork hasn't got logos and even then, it sounds to me they could still be used under 'fair usage'.
So, before going on debranding operations, how do I debrand the LSB part to something like JeOS? Please help :)
Nelson, the trademark guidelines explain what needs to be changed and what not. You're not required to change the lsb_release output, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Nelson, the trademark guidelines explain what needs to be changed and what not.
You're not required to change the lsb_release output,
"Further, you will need to remove all logos, wallpapers, splash-screens, boot menu graphics, installer branding, marks, language, and other uses that indicate the system is “openSUSE.”" lsb_release seems to indicate that the system is 'openSUSE', so it should be changed. And the links do not work: http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution What is Rembrand and where can I find the information on the second link ? NM -- --- Artigo 21 - Direito à Resistência Todos têm o direito de resistir a qualquer ordem que ofensa os seus direitos, liberdades e garantias e de repelir pela força qualquer agressão, quando não seja possível recorrer à autoridade pública. Constituição da Républica Portuguesa -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:39:02 Nelson Marques wrote:
Nelson, the trademark guidelines explain what needs to be changed and what not.
You're not required to change the lsb_release output,
"Further, you will need to remove all logos, wallpapers, splash-screens, boot menu graphics, installer branding, marks, language, and other uses that indicate the system is “openSUSE.”"
lsb_release seems to indicate that the system is 'openSUSE', so it should be changed.
And the links do not work:
http://en.opensuse.org/Rembrand http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_SUSE_based_distribution
What is Rembrand and where can I find the information on the second link ?
This is the current version of the trademark guidelines: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines Read this paragraph: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_openSUSE_W... I think that explains clearly what to do, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Andreas, Thanks for sharing updated info. This information DOES COMPLY with the information i got from earlier from Peter Linnel when I request permission to use 'based on openSUSE'. It seems the PDF was clearly outdated and far more restrictive... Glad it changed :) NM --- Artigo 21 - Direito à Resistência Todos têm o direito de resistir a qualquer ordem que ofensa os seus direitos, liberdades e garantias e de repelir pela força qualquer agressão, quando não seja possível recorrer à autoridade pública. Constituição da Républica Portuguesa -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:38:27 Will Stephenson wrote:
On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 10:55:50 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Sunday 09 September 2012 23:55:53 Nelson Marques wrote:
As some are aware I've hammered down MATE (though it still a lot of polishing) for openSUSE; I'm make a small iso with Kiwi and I was planning to call it 'Borderline'. This is a pure openSUSE 12.2 without any changes which defaults to MATE and LightDM. The MATE implementation is upstream (with some tweaks done directly on mate packages so I don't have to follow the road of pain with branding) and> > is mainly the same used by openSUSE. In addition this will get: - Armored with all sort of codecs available (gstreamer/ffmpeg and
friends (ex: libdvdcss2));
- Font Rendering through Infinality - Other stuff I might find interesting.
Is openSUSE ok with the usage of 'borderline' for a derivative? Why I ask this is because 'borderline' is a mental disturbance and somehow rare, in a way close to bi-polarity. This is a cool metaphore :) (borderline-project.eu will come soon).
I join Helen in saying the term is OK to use. Cool project, too. Want to do an article or something like that on it?
What happened to following or observing our trademark guidelines (*)? AFAIU any respin, even ones just reshuffling the official openSUSE:* packages, should be debranded to basedonopensuse branding, and anything using packages out of other repos such as what Nelson suggests or the KDE Reloaded respins, should be completely de-trademarked.
Will
* http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf
Will, that's not the current version of the guidelines, the current one is: This is the current version of the trademark guidelines: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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