On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 07:26, Frederic Crozat wrote:

This means breaking a lot of filters for subscribers, potentially triggering spam filters. And depending on the mailing lists, there are scripts which are used to send mails to those mailing list. At minimum, there should be some redirections from "old email address" to "new mailing list address" to ensure those emails aren't lost.

Redirecting the address is quite obvious, so I didn't even mention it ;) But yeah, I agree that filters are the most problematic, which is why I asked for the opinion of the project. With switching to mailman we might have had those issues anyway, which is why this might be the perfect moment though. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:08 PM Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 5. August 2020, 16:03:01 CEST schrieb Stasiek Michalski:

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But yeah, I agree that filters are the most problematic, which is why I asked for the opinion of the project. With switching to mailman we might have had those issues anyway, which is why this might be the perfect moment though.

I expect both the subject tags like [opensuse-LISTNAME] and the X-Mailinglist header to stay the same. So only filters agains the mailing lists' email adresses would fail.

No, those would change as well. This is what Mailman sends (as an example from Fedora's instance): * List-Id * Archived-At * List-Archive * List-Help * List-Post * List-Subscribe * List-Unsubscribe. As for the subject tag, I'm unsure how configurable that is, but Stasiek may be able to tweak it for legacy list ID format, though I wouldn't count on it. Most lists seem to be getting rid of it, though if we keep it, it'd use [$list] unless we fiddled with it somehow. Note that List-Id is recognized by Gmail and other web clients for filtering. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 6. August 2020, 23:40:42 CEST schrieb Neal Gompa:

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* List-Id […]

Most lists seem to be getting rid of it, though if we keep it, it'd use [$list] unless we fiddled with it somehow.

Note that List-Id is recognized by Gmail and other web clients for filtering.

As currently there is no List-Id but only X-Mailinglist I expect some fallout here.

I'm sure we can add 'X-Mailinglist', it's hardly much effort. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am 06.08.20 um 23:40 schrieb Neal Gompa:

Note that List-Id is recognized by Gmail and other web clients for filtering.

At least gmail also recognizes the curren mlmmj headers. I just have "list(opensuse-project)" as a filter condition in my gmail setup. So gmail will probably continue to work, as long as the mailing list name stays the same. But hey, even if this changes, having to change filters now once, after 10? 15? years is not that much of a problem. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed 2020-08-05, Frederic Crozat wrote:

This means breaking a lot of filters for subscribers,

A project I participate in moved from qmail/ezml to mailman 3 a bit ago, and indeed filter rules breaking was a bit annyoing. If headers for compatibility with the previous system could be added, that would be nice (X-Mailinglist for example). What I found and still find quite more annoying is the rewriting of the From: header, from From: Gerald Pfeifer to From: Gerald Pfeifer via Project Are you planning something like this for openSUSE? Gerald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen composed on 2020-08-07 18:23 (UTC+0200):

Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

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What I found and still find quite more annoying is the rewriting of the From: header, from From: Gerald Pfeifer to From: Gerald Pfeifer via Project

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Are you planning something like this for openSUSE?

I certainly hope not, I would also find that most annoying.

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On 05/08/2020 11.30, Per Jessen wrote:

Stasiek Michalski wrote:

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There is only one clash with opensuse.org forwarding addresses -

With renaming, 'opensuse-security@opensuse.org' would become 'security@opensuse.org' which is currently forwarded to 'security@suse.de'.

Huh? It should become 'security@lists.opensuse.org', so no problem. The problem that Frederic Crozat mentioned about scripts is rather important, though. And that particular list is peculiar, I think. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)