Hi, very rarely I'm looking into openFATE just out of curiosity and so I found at least one feature request which affects me directly. So I'm wondering how the process is supposed to work? I somehow expect that I would have never seen the feature request and therefore I pretty much doubt that somebody ever would have looked into it at all. Who makes sure to route the stuff to the right persons? How do these people know who the right persons are? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 19:05 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
very rarely I'm looking into openFATE just out of curiosity and so I found at least one feature request which affects me directly. So I'm wondering how the process is supposed to work? I somehow expect that I would have never seen the feature request and therefore I pretty much doubt that somebody ever would have looked into it at all.
Who makes sure to route the stuff to the right persons? How do these people know who the right persons are?
I also would like to know if there's someone to mark features as duplicates/closed/important for release 11.x etc.. Because i've seen features already implemented on 11.3 and are not market as such. Luis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 20:04:24 wrote Luis Medinas:
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 19:05 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
very rarely I'm looking into openFATE just out of curiosity and so I found at least one feature request which affects me directly. So I'm wondering how the process is supposed to work? I somehow expect that I would have never seen the feature request and therefore I pretty much doubt that somebody ever would have looked into it at all.
Who makes sure to route the stuff to the right persons? How do these people know who the right persons are?
I also would like to know if there's someone to mark features as duplicates/closed/important for release 11.x etc.. For that the openFATE Screening Team was launched (http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFate_screening_team). But AFAIK the Team isn't active yet. -- Sincerely yours
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On 01/08/2010 07:05 PM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
very rarely I'm looking into openFATE just out of curiosity and so I found at least one feature request which affects me directly. So I'm wondering how the process is supposed to work? I somehow expect that I would have never seen the feature request and therefore I pretty much doubt that somebody ever would have looked into it at all.
Who makes sure to route the stuff to the right persons? How do these people know who the right persons are?
To get openfate notifications, you currently have to subscribe at hermes.opensuse.org. People don't get subscribed automatically atm. Maybe that's something we should change so the users get subscribed to the default notifications initially. Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools 144 pixels ought to be enough for anybody, www.blinkenlights.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 11/01/2010 11:40, Thomas Schmidt a écrit :
at hermes.opensuse.org.
very nice domain name :-) I didn't know about this one :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 11 janvier 2010, à 11:40 +0100, Thomas Schmidt a écrit :
On 01/08/2010 07:05 PM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
very rarely I'm looking into openFATE just out of curiosity and so I found at least one feature request which affects me directly. So I'm wondering how the process is supposed to work? I somehow expect that I would have never seen the feature request and therefore I pretty much doubt that somebody ever would have looked into it at all.
Who makes sure to route the stuff to the right persons? How do these people know who the right persons are?
To get openfate notifications, you currently have to subscribe at hermes.opensuse.org. People don't get subscribed automatically atm.
Well, do you have any idea how to subscribe the right people automatically? Since the requests are opened against openSUSE 11.3 and not Mozilla, it's kind of hard to guess that Wolfgang should be subscribed, isn't it? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 01/11/2010 11:49 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le lundi 11 janvier 2010, à 11:40 +0100, Thomas Schmidt a écrit :
On 01/08/2010 07:05 PM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
very rarely I'm looking into openFATE just out of curiosity and so I found at least one feature request which affects me directly. So I'm wondering how the process is supposed to work? I somehow expect that I would have never seen the feature request and therefore I pretty much doubt that somebody ever would have looked into it at all.
Who makes sure to route the stuff to the right persons? How do these people know who the right persons are?
To get openfate notifications, you currently have to subscribe at hermes.opensuse.org. People don't get subscribed automatically atm.
Well, do you have any idea how to subscribe the right people automatically? Since the requests are opened against openSUSE 11.3 and not Mozilla, it's kind of hard to guess that Wolfgang should be subscribed, isn't it?
Sure, to assign the right person is something different. I meant subscribing people to change notifications of features that include them. We already added a link to hermes at the right side of each feature on openfate, but it seems for many people it's not obvious that they have to configure hermes before they get mails. Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Don't Panic" Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 11 janvier 2010, à 12:03 +0100, Thomas Schmidt a écrit :
Sure, to assign the right person is something different. I meant subscribing people to change notifications of features that include them. We already added a link to hermes at the right side of each feature on openfate, but it seems for many people it's not obvious that they have to configure hermes before they get mails.
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought the hermes configuration was automatically done at some point in the past -- at least, I don't remember doing it myself. But I might be wrong... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 11 janvier 2010, à 12:03 +0100, Thomas Schmidt a écrit :
Sure, to assign the right person is something different. I meant subscribing people to change notifications of features that include them. We already added a link to hermes at the right side of each feature on openfate, but it seems for many people it's not obvious that they have to configure hermes before they get mails. let's collect the pieces missing to make openFATE a real useful tool working with. In my opinion a defined group of people, probably the openFATE screening team should receive additional right and in general some features should be added to make address eg. Wolfgang's point that he probably would not have noticed a feature which he is very interested in if not even the maintainer of
Moin, On Monday 11 January 2010 12:05:17 Vincent Untz wrote: the package. General improvement: - adding of info provider possible everyone - info provider receives a notification - adding of additional people (interested, developer etc.) - make it visible if there is a developer for a feature. If there's no developer we can use this for a "call for action" for people to take care of the feature - make Hermes visible and intuitive to work with and/or notify per default everyone with a role in a feature when it changes Rights for screening team: - change the status of a feature (duplicate, need info, done, implementation etc.) Currently everybody can add feature, comment on any feature and as beginning of public feature evaluation vote on a feature. But the real process still is only doable by Novell internals which are mainly the project manager, product manager, engineering managers etc. Please add your ideas to http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFATE/Screening_team to collect them and then open feature requests against openFATE. Best Michael
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought the hermes configuration was automatically done at some point in the past -- at least, I don't remember doing it myself. But I might be wrong...
Vincent
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Hi,
General improvement: - adding of info provider possible everyone This is a missing feature, correct. But IMO we once defined that as a job for the screening team some time ago.
- info provider receives a notification Given already if the person signs up in Hermes.
- adding of additional people (interested, developer etc.) This is possible already in the openFATE client, just on the pencil and than "Add myself as interested" or "Add myself as developer"
- make it visible if there is a developer for a feature. If there's no developer we can use this for a "call for action" for people to take care of the feature Thats indeed a missing feature, even though it is possible to subscribe as developer.
- make Hermes visible and intuitive to work with and/or notify per default everyone with a role in a feature when it changes Could it be more visible and intuitive than a prominent link on the openFATE page saying "Subscribe to feature change notifications" together with the fate logo? It's there. And it is also mentioned at several places that you need to click in Hermes before you get this notifications. I think that's sufficient?!? IMO we lack a page that appears after your first login and makes it easy to subscribe to all needed messages.
Rights for screening team: - change the status of a feature (duplicate, need info, done, implementation etc.)
Yes, needed. BTW, more on the whole process can be read here: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFATE/Documentation regards, Klaas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi,
General improvement: - adding of info provider possible everyone
This is a missing feature, correct. But IMO we once defined that as a job for the screening team some time ago.
- info provider receives a notification
Given already if the person signs up in Hermes. Exactly this if is the issue. We should guide people better to Hermes imo. Why not requester and people commenting in a feature guide actively to Hermes so
Moin, On Wednesday 13 January 2010 18:07:43 Klaas Freitag wrote: the signed up and receive information in the future.
- adding of additional people (interested, developer etc.)
This is possible already in the openFATE client, just on the pencil and than "Add myself as interested" or "Add myself as developer"
But what about adding another person which I know will be interested or maybe even is the developer or maintainer?
- make it visible if there is a developer for a feature. If there's no developer we can use this for a "call for action" for people to take care of the feature
Thats indeed a missing feature, even though it is possible to subscribe as developer.
- make Hermes visible and intuitive to work with and/or notify per default everyone with a role in a feature when it changes
Could it be more visible and intuitive than a prominent link on the openFATE page saying "Subscribe to feature change notifications" together with the fate logo? It's there.
Maybe I'm blind but this morning I couldn't find the Hermes logo on my large screen and actually asked a colleague if he finds it - he couldn't. Just now on my small screen I found it - strange.
And it is also mentioned at several places that you need to click in Hermes before you get this notifications. I think that's sufficient?!? IMO we lack a page that appears after your first login and makes it easy to subscribe to all needed messages. Yes, such a page would help and maybe not only after first login but when requesting or commenting on a feature.
Best M
Rights for screening team: - change the status of a feature (duplicate, need info, done, implementation etc.)
Yes, needed.
BTW, more on the whole process can be read here: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFATE/Documentation
regards,
Klaas
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On 01/13/2010 08:48 PM, Michael Loeffler wrote:
Hi,
General improvement: - adding of info provider possible everyone
This is a missing feature, correct. But IMO we once defined that as a job for the screening team some time ago.
- info provider receives a notification
Given already if the person signs up in Hermes. Exactly this if is the issue. We should guide people better to Hermes imo. Why not requester and people commenting in a feature guide actively to Hermes so
Moin, On Wednesday 13 January 2010 18:07:43 Klaas Freitag wrote: the signed up and receive information in the future.
I added a pointer to hermes in the success message after creating and saving a feature. Greetings -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) openSUSE Boosters Team "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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