[opensuse-project] providing packages issues
Dear All, this week two projects dear to me and I hope a lot of other users and devs got releases out: kde 4.10.2 and kde telepathy. both provided in community maintained repos KDE:Release:410 and KDE:Extra. Unfortunately if some curious, tester or old time user wants to try the packages he/she will not find them... why? simple.. obs was not really usable. I see two issues with the situation... 1. Users get frustrated cause they cannot find the latest announced versions... We fail to capitalise on the wave of interests that usually gets created when a new version is released. 2. packagers/testers get frustrated... The community did the work for these packages to be ready on time for the release... just to discover we did not have enough steam to build the official tar balls. Shall we understand that the community work is not really important for opensuse? To make things ever more annoying... my home projects build and published faster that packages in KDE:Extra... so I can conclude it is simple an issue of policies and priorities on obs... Can we have a discussion on this please? Let us try, as a community, to establish and implement a set of rules on using obs build power in such a way that gives the community repos some advantage over home and branch projects in order to make opensuse shine. Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! ______________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ______________________________________________________________________
Hi, we are aware of the problem and we will announce actions in this area in the following days. Thanks for explaining the problem in a constructive way. It help us to understand the impact of our actions (or lack of them). On Thursday, April 04, 2013 01:05:14 PM Alin M Elena wrote:
Dear All,
this week two projects dear to me and I hope a lot of other users and devs got releases out: kde 4.10.2 and kde telepathy. both provided in community maintained repos KDE:Release:410 and KDE:Extra.
Unfortunately if some curious, tester or old time user wants to try the packages he/she will not find them... why? simple.. obs was not really usable.
I see two issues with the situation...
1. Users get frustrated cause they cannot find the latest announced versions... We fail to capitalise on the wave of interests that usually gets created when a new version is released. 2. packagers/testers get frustrated... The community did the work for these packages to be ready on time for the release... just to discover we did not have enough steam to build the official tar balls. Shall we understand that the community work is not really important for opensuse?
To make things ever more annoying... my home projects build and published faster that packages in KDE:Extra... so I can conclude it is simple an issue of policies and priorities on obs...
Can we have a discussion on this please? Let us try, as a community, to establish and implement a set of rules on using obs build power in such a way that gives the community repos some advantage over home and branch projects in order to make opensuse shine.
Alin -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe@suse.com
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On Thursday 04 April 2013 13:05:14 Alin M Elena wrote:
To make things ever more annoying... my home projects build and published faster that packages in KDE:Extra... so I can conclude it is simple an issue of policies and priorities on obs...
I see the same situation for science project, it started to happen a few months ago. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 04.04.2013 20:54, Dmitry Roshchin wrote:
On Thursday 04 April 2013 13:05:14 Alin M Elena wrote:
To make things ever more annoying... my home projects build and published faster that packages in KDE:Extra... so I can conclude it is simple an issue of policies and priorities on obs...
I see the same situation for science project, it started to happen a few months ago.
While I think it's fair that Alin raises the issue on the project mailing list, I don't think we should discuss the technical side of "policies and priorities on obs" on this list - we have a mailing list for the build service, and I don't remember having seen a mail from Alin btw. And I would remember 18KB vcf attachments :) http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/16/how-we-use-our-power/ still stands, I see a lot of people wasting build power by adding repositories noone needs and noone cares for. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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And I would remember 18KB vcf attachments :)
Indeed. Just about two months ago I was limited to 500 MB/month internet, so mail size can be an issue for people.
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/16/how-we-use-our-power/ still stands, I see a lot of people wasting build power by adding repositories noone needs and noone cares for.
I know very little about OBS, but perhaps you can split home repos to a different server :-? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFe9TwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U4KgCfXRIS/5sjydIuvk0SiG2S0U9B tOcAoIvym5puEnzg+9J1wNxsvqEBj+5k =cQa9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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On Friday, 2013-04-05 at 09:45 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
And I would remember 18KB vcf attachments :)
Indeed.
Just about two months ago I was limited to 500 MB/month internet, so mail size can be an issue for people.
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/16/how-we-use-our-power/ still stands, I see a lot of people wasting build power by adding repositories noone needs and noone cares for.
I know very little about OBS, but perhaps you can split home repos to a different server :-?
Have one? Greetings, Stephan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlFfwdAACgkQwFSBhlBjoJYhmwCgu1MsTjPtKV08oEfpEZbT4UXc f+MAnjkGOocKhVdAXLmK7KlLGXEJ8N+o =khEu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am 05.04.2013 18:01, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
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On Friday, 2013-04-05 at 09:45 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
And I would remember 18KB vcf attachments :)
Indeed.
Just about two months ago I was limited to 500 MB/month internet, so mail size can be an issue for people.
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/16/how-we-use-our-power/ still stands, I see a lot of people wasting build power by adding repositories noone needs and noone cares for.
I know very little about OBS, but perhaps you can split home repos to a different server :-?
Have one?
Greetings, Stephan
Is it actually possible to lend computing resources to OBS? I thought we looked into a while back, without much success. Security issues? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am 06.04.2013 10:54, schrieb Per Jessen:
I know very little about OBS, but perhaps you can split home repos to a different server :-?
Have one?
Greetings, Stephan
Is it actually possible to lend computing resources to OBS? I thought we looked into a while back, without much success. Security issues?
I don't think we want home repos on lend computing resources, we talk about TBs here - and a lot of that needs to be replaced every day. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am 06.04.2013 10:54, schrieb Per Jessen:
I know very little about OBS, but perhaps you can split home repos to a different server :-?
Have one?
Greetings, Stephan
Is it actually possible to lend computing resources to OBS? I thought we looked into a while back, without much success. Security issues?
I don't think we want home repos on lend computing resources, we talk about TBs here - and a lot of that needs to be replaced every day.
Probably not, but the question remains - is it now possible to lend computing resources to the OBS? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2013-04-06 at 08:33 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am 05.04.2013 18:01, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I know very little about OBS, but perhaps you can split home repos to a different server :-?
Have one?
Wish I had. If I had, it would mean that I have more than enough resources for myself so that I can give to others. I barely survive. :-| - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFgpAoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W2SQCfSxIG6JSC8PlctDVSqf/GArY6 vrwAnA8yFZVPqM1A9VAr+rfogMbkiq3M =I96K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 04 April 2013 13:05:14 Alin M Elena wrote:
Dear All,
this week two projects dear to me and I hope a lot of other users and devs got releases out: kde 4.10.2 and kde telepathy. both provided in community maintained repos KDE:Release:410 and KDE:Extra.
Unfortunately if some curious, tester or old time user wants to try the packages he/she will not find them... why? simple.. obs was not really usable.
I see two issues with the situation...
1. Users get frustrated cause they cannot find the latest announced versions... We fail to capitalise on the wave of interests that usually gets created when a new version is released. 2. packagers/testers get frustrated... The community did the work for these packages to be ready on time for the release... just to discover we did not have enough steam to build the official tar balls. Shall we understand that the community work is not really important for opensuse?
To make things ever more annoying... my home projects build and published faster that packages in KDE:Extra... so I can conclude it is simple an issue of policies and priorities on obs...
Can we have a discussion on this please? Let us try, as a community, to establish and implement a set of rules on using obs build power in such a way that gives the community repos some advantage over home and branch projects in order to make opensuse shine.
Alin
As Agustin promised last week, we've got a status update on this for you all: SUSE sponsored a new server rack so we're out of the woods for the time being. Unfortunately it will still take a few weeks for the new rack to arrive and be installed. See http://news.opensuse.org/?p=15739 for details. In the mean time, cleaning up unused packages and projects in your home always helps us save some cycles! Our binary delivery server is also getting full and that, too, will need a solution. Cleaning up only gets us so far. Help finding a new server is welcome, Adrian can probably tell you what we need if you ask. Cheers, Jos
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Agustin Benito Bethencourt -
Alin M Elena -
Carlos E. R. -
Dmitry Roshchin -
Jos Poortvliet -
Per Jessen -
Stephan Kulow