On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 19:41 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 18:49 +0100, Michael Loeffler wrote:

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Discussion of the hard ones: Does upstream contributino qualifies to become a member? For openSUSE related stuff like infrastructure (eg. OBS) yes, for software (KDE, Mono) no. But we shoudn't be "Heiliger als der Papst" (more catholic than the pope).

To clarify - this means the current opinion is that upstream project developers who are only users of openSUSE wouldn't qualify?

-JP -- JP Rosevear Novell, Inc.

The question came up more for those of us who are new on the board and grasping an understanding of how membership applications were approved in the past. It was not a declaration of a hard and fast rule that applies to any Novell employee. What we were asking was whether or not a blanket rule should be applied where if you're a Novell employee, do you automatically get approval if you apply? Although we're still sifting through the backlog of applications, we have found that generally the Novell applicants have met the test for approval, as any other applicant. The requirements for anyone, Novell employee or not, is that there has to be some meaningful contribution to the project. Some examples include: - Filing bug reports - Participating on the mailing lists - Contributing to the wiki - Providing online support (e.g., IRC support channels) - Advocacy/evangelism/projects that promote the use of openSUSE - Coding/Packaging/etc. The above list of examples is definitely not exhaustive and we look at each applicant individually. (Hence why it takes so much time to process memberships.) We believe that providing such a litmus test adds real value to the prestige of becoming a member of the openSUSE Project. One applicant who was rejected by the last board came to me and asked what he needed to do to become approved in the future. I explained that he needed to provide real contribution to the project. His response was that he appreciated that and that when his application does get approved eventually, he'll have real honor for accomplishing this. We have no intention of setting the bar too high that it becomes extremely difficult to become a member. However, simply being a user, whether an employee of Novell or not, does not meet the litmus test. -- Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 23:08 -0600, Bryen wrote:

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 19:41 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 18:49 +0100, Michael Loeffler wrote:

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Discussion of the hard ones: Does upstream contributino qualifies to become a member? For openSUSE related stuff like infrastructure (eg. OBS) yes, for software (KDE, Mono) no. But we shoudn't be "Heiliger als der Papst" (more catholic than the pope).

To clarify - this means the current opinion is that upstream project developers who are only users of openSUSE wouldn't qualify?

-JP -- JP Rosevear Novell, Inc.

The question came up more for those of us who are new on the board and grasping an understanding of how membership applications were approved in the past. It was not a declaration of a hard and fast rule that applies to any Novell employee.

What we were asking was whether or not a blanket rule should be applied where if you're a Novell employee, do you automatically get approval if you apply? Although we're still sifting through the backlog of applications, we have found that generally the Novell applicants have met the test for approval, as any other applicant. The requirements for anyone, Novell employee or not, is that there has to be some meaningful contribution to the project. Some examples include:

- Filing bug reports - Participating on the mailing lists - Contributing to the wiki - Providing online support (e.g., IRC support channels) - Advocacy/evangelism/projects that promote the use of openSUSE - Coding/Packaging/etc.

The above list of examples is definitely not exhaustive and we look at each applicant individually. (Hence why it takes so much time to process memberships.) We believe that providing such a litmus test adds real value to the prestige of becoming a member of the openSUSE Project.

What I'm saying is the a significant upstream contributor is really an openSUSE contributor no matter who they are, we need their code, so if someone like that applies (and does not really contribute to openSUSE directly in the above areas), I think they should still be considered for membership. Building a better upstream relationship is a good thing. -JP -- JP Rosevear Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

But if you don't see any openSUSE specific action at all by him - no bug reports against openSUSE, no mails on the mailing lists etc - , I'm in favor of rejection.

That is the opinion of the current board as well. But this is really a hypothetical case we try to solve here. I think we should cross the bridge when we get there. All Member applications get checked individually and we talk to the people about their contributions and reasons to apply for an openSUSE Membership. So rest assured that we wont miss any corner cases because of some rules set to stone. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Binner wrote:

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Lizards does not offer RSS feed tied to an author.

Of course it does. Have a look at the site, look how Planet SUSE aggregates.

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On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Pascal Bleser wrote:

I think "developers and packagers" actually means "contributors", as opposed to "mere users" ;)

Well, I'd hesitate to say "mere users," -- using openSUSE is the first step on the path of contribution, right? :-) But, yes -- targeted at contributors in that the program is going to be for people who are contributing to openSUSE. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager jzb@zonker.net http://zonker.opensuse.org/ http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org