* jdd [05-04-09 05:31]:

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~worc0337/philosophers.html

gives you 188 philosophers...

I suggest you make a ballot. list the names and ask users (or members) two questions:

1) What are the philosophers *we should not use* - for example Friedrich Nietzsche could be associated with world war two, probably not a good choice (knowing if the association is reasonable or not is not our problem);

Are there that many of us actively using computers/linux/opensuse to be offended by associations with ww2 ??? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

* jdd [05-04-09 14:09]:

Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

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Are there that many of us actively using computers/linux/opensuse to be offended by associations with ww2 ???

with nazism and Hitler, sure. Nietzsche is, unfortunatey, associated with this

I'm sure there are others that are associated to ill things also (even if they are not guilty)

Well, I understand the connotations, but they can be brought to light in may different circumstances but they should not detract from the *good* things an individual has done. They should effect *his* character. Bobby Knight and Woody Hayes come to mind as *great* coaches but possessing tempers that detracted immensely from their character. I pass! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

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Are there that many of us actively using computers/linux/opensuse to be offended by associations with ww2 ???

with nazism and Hitler, sure. Nietzsche is, unfortunatey, associated with this

Really? Not to me he isn't. But then today, 4 May, has a special meaning to me, well, to my parents and to my grandparents and to many people in Denmark. It doesn't mean it can't be given a new meaning to others. Please, let's avoid the idiotic PC. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* jdd [05-04-09 05:31]:

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http://users.ox.ac.uk/~worc0337/philosophers.html

gives you 188 philosophers...

I suggest you make a ballot. list the names and ask users (or members) two questions:

1) What are the philosophers *we should not use* - for example Friedrich Nietzsche could be associated with world war two, probably not a good choice (knowing if the association is reasonable or not is not our problem);

Are there that many of us actively using computers/linux/opensuse to be offended by associations with ww2 ???

WWII was a pretty significant world event for millions of people, so why be offended at all? /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 19.44 +0000, Jim Henderson ha scritto:

On Mon, 04 May 2009 13:57:39 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Are there that many of us actively using computers/linux/opensuse to be offended by associations with ww2 ???

It's not those who are currently/actively using it (at least not exclusively) but the audience to whom we wish to appeal to.

That audience is appealed by quality releases. I really doubt they will think to codenames that much.

I'm not taking sides in the discussion, but if a name was picked that evoked a significant negative memory/emotion for you, would you be inclined to speak out against it?

I would rather see the project avoid controversy where it can be avoided so the project team doesn't have to spend cycles defending the choice of name for the project (or not responding to it and letting those who are offended be ignored - which in and of itself also generates negative publicity).

At this point avoid any kind of codename, because it is really easy to be against someone sensitivity, even with colours or animals. But maybe people will be less vocal about those. Also, talking more in general, and not only on the specific case, which IMHO is not important at all, maybe one day openSUSE will stop changing ideas because of a few users comments, and will keep going on following its way. ;-) Best, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 22.54 +0000, Jim Henderson ha scritto:

I think we can agree that if we were to target names after vegetarian painters, that might seem innocuous enough, but (and realising I'm invoking Godwin's law here), I think we could all agree that naming a release "Hitler" would be just a bit of a problem for much the same reasons.

I don't think anybody disagrees on this. But I think the difference between the names is very clear too.

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At this point avoid any kind of codename, because it is really easy to be against someone sensitivity, even with colours or animals. But maybe people will be less vocal about those.

I don't think colours or animals would be a problem, personally. It is possible to go overboard with Political Correctness, but that doesn't mean that it's appropriate (in my view) to completely disregard opinions and viewpoints that may be valid, either and just say "deal with it."

Well, certain colours has or had a political meaning. Some has a ratial connotation in a certain context. Just think to the very elementary example of black and red. The fact that we feel them far from us doesn't really mean someone could not be "offended". Opinions has to be heard, taken into account, but not necessarily accepted.

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Also, talking more in general, and not only on the specific case, which IMHO is not important at all, maybe one day openSUSE will stop changing ideas because of a few users comments, and will keep going on following its way. ;-)

I hope that never happens - the day it does is the day the distro ceases to be a community-driven distro.

No, that would be the day the distro will show a plan, in the common interest, and not exposed to the opinions of a few (I'm not simply referring to the codenames topic, which is irrelevant). The difference sounds really evident.

But as I often point out to customers (and friends) at work, just because a decision doesn't go your way doesn't mean it wasn't listened to, either. Just because people express opinions doesn't mean giving in to every little demand for a change, either. But it does mean considering the point of view and making an informed decision - and being willing to say "gee, we didn't consider that and it was a mistake to move forward" when a mistake has been made.

Right. We are essentially saying the same thing. ;-)

Not saying a mistake has been made, just providing an alternate point of view.

Well, you are somewhat saying that. Maybe the 11.2 codename wasn't the most pondered choice of this world, surely it's not the most important choice people at openSUSE have to take for the distribution, but someone on forums stretched it far too much, considering himself "offended" and thinking the choice was done "on purpose". That's not expressing an opinion... Bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 04 May 2009 19:19:39 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 22.54 +0000, Jim Henderson ha scritto:

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invoking Godwin's law here), I think we could all agree that naming a release "Hitler" would be just a bit of a problem for much the same reasons.

I don't think anybody disagrees on this. But I think the difference between the names is very clear too.

It may be to you and me, but I'm not (and I assume you're not, but I don't know) part of the group that was affected by the shared ideologies of the two individuals in question.

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mean that it's appropriate (in my view) to completely disregard opinions and viewpoints that may be valid, either and just say "deal with it."

Well, certain colours has or had a political meaning. Some has a ratial connotation in a certain context. Just think to the very elementary example of black and red. The fact that we feel them far from us doesn't really mean someone could not be "offended".

Sure, but I think there's a world of difference between the name of a colour and the proper name of someone who was any particular ideological bent.

Opinions has to be heard, taken into account, but not necessarily accepted.

I don't disagree with that, in fact I wrote something to that effect in an earlier reply. :-)

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I hope that never happens - the day it does is the day the distro ceases to be a community-driven distro.

No, that would be the day the distro will show a plan, in the common interest, and not exposed to the opinions of a few (I'm not simply referring to the codenames topic, which is irrelevant). The difference sounds really evident.

Well, I've already stated my opinion. A plan is formed by the project leaders and IMHO is accepted or not by the community. If the project leaders want the project to grow, the perspectives of all members of the community are considered and weighed. As you and I both said, opinions have to be heard and taken into account. Then the views are incorporated or not into the overall plan. So I reiterate: the day the project stops listening to multiple points of view from the community is the day the project stops being a community- driven project.

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But as I often point out to customers (and friends) at work, just because a decision doesn't go your way doesn't mean it wasn't listened to, either. Just because people express opinions doesn't mean giving in to every little demand for a change, either. But it does mean considering the point of view and making an informed decision - and being willing to say "gee, we didn't consider that and it was a mistake to move forward" when a mistake has been made.

Right. We are essentially saying the same thing. ;-)

I find I have this habit of being in violent agreement with others. ;-)

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Not saying a mistake has been made, just providing an alternate point of view.

Well, you are somewhat saying that. Maybe the 11.2 codename wasn't the most pondered choice of this world, surely it's not the most important choice people at openSUSE have to take for the distribution, but someone on forums stretched it far too much, considering himself "offended" and thinking the choice was done "on purpose". That's not expressing an opinion...

I saw that discussion on the forums, and I do agree that in all likelihood it wasn't intended to offend anyone. But at the same time, as a community we do deal with both geeks and non-geeks alike. I commented in an earlier discussion (the one on the users list that resulted in the bugbuster discussion) about the "tact filter" people use when communicating, and when you start mixing people with their tact filter set to inbound and people who have their tact filter set to outbound, you end up with misunderstandings and the core message gets lost because the messenger did a poor job of framing their complaint. My guess is that the person who raised it on the forums was probably not filtering outbound, but the initial response came from someone who doesn't filter inbound. So while no offense was meant, the original complaint was worded extremely strongly in order to get their point across, and the point ended up getting lost in the hyperbole of the message. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 05 May 2009 00:22:36 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:

On Tuesday 05 May 2009 12:02:56 am Jim Henderson wrote:

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A plan is formed by the project leaders and IMHO is accepted or not by the community. If the project leaders want the project to grow, the perspectives of all members of the community are considered and weighed. As you and I both said, opinions have to be heard and taken into account. Then the views are incorporated or not into the overall plan.

Just to underscore, accepted by majority of community members, which doesn't mean every single person, nor vocal minorities, unless they give sound arguments to their stand.

Concur, though arguably it's not necessarily a majority of community members, but of the project team, who decides this based on the discussion within the community. At least that's how I see it. You often cannot have a community this size work towards a majority vote on anything (certainly not the entire community), that's why the project leaders represent the community in making these decisions. But a key part of the process (as I see it) is that community feedback has to be listened to and those opinions weighed as part of the equation. Ask, listen for feedback, and then decide based on the feedback plus the leadership's own opinions. Having been through product and program discussions myself where names were selected, released, and then had to be changed because of a lack of imagination, creativity, or deviousness/dirty mindedness on the part of those deciding on the name, I can tell you that replacing a name after the fact is much more difficult than making a release with a name that isn't going to lead to people asking "what WERE they thinking when they chose this name". I've had the opportunity to speak out on bad product/program names before and sometimes the name goes forward as originally decided, and other times the name was changed before it ever hit the public (and in one case, that was a REALLY good thing).

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So I reiterate: the day the project stops listening to multiple points of view from the community is the day the project stops being a community- driven project.

and ends.

That is simple fact. No one is forced to accept anything, so project ends when it doesn't have followers.

Yup. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 05 May 2009 08:10:51 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

Il giorno mar, 05/05/2009 alle 05.36 +0000, Jim Henderson ha scritto:

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But a key part of the process (as I see it) is that community feedback has to be listened to and those opinions weighed as part of the equation.

Not in all the cases I think. Or you really spend more time to listen than to manage the community, to think what a few wants, instead than thinking to the real common goal of the community. That's my point.

Sure, you have to close the comment period at some point - because at some point you have to make a decision.

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Ask, listen for feedback, and then decide based on the feedback plus the leadership's own opinions.

That's good, but again, for relevant choices!

"Relevant" is very much in the eye of the beholder, though. What you think is relevant I may not - and vice-versa. It's important to see that distinction. I think it's a rare person who provides feedback they personally don't feel is relevant. ;-)

What you said about using strong tones to carry the message, well it is OK, but not on such a delicate topic I guess. The right way, especially from a moderator, would have been to contact openSUSE people BEFORE writing on a public forum. I don't know if this was done or not, but if not, I think it was a mistake or the intention was not too good ;-)

Woulda, coulda, shoulda - but that's not what happened, so rather than dissect the delivery method of the message or the strong tone (which I personally didn't feel was particularly strong, but the discussion did get rather heated at points), let's focus on the content instead. The content is the important thing, and IMHO the rest is just a sideshow. :-) Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 05 May 2009 10:33:09 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

I disagree. The medium and the tone are as important as the content. We see that all the time, and given the potentially sensitive topic, who proposed the discussion made a wrong choice.

Well, you certainly are entitled to that view - I certainly wouldn't claim that my own way of looking at things is the only way to do so. But there are situations where public discussion is the best course of action, and the person who started the discussion made that in their judgement. Right or wrong in your or my view, that's where the discussion is now, kinda hard to put the genie back in the bottle.

If you really think something can be harmful for the community, you directly contact in private the interested people, their name are public, and you don't open a discussion which might be used against the community itself.

That's what I meant by "woulda, coulda, shoulda" - instead of talking about what you or I "woulda" done, what the originator "coulda" or "shoulda" done in our opinions, the discussion is out there now. Some describe this entire discussion as a tempest in a teapot (or using similar metaphors) and to an extent I agree with them. Personally, I don't care for codenames for projects, but I see why some people feel there is value in it. My entire point (and I know there are a few reading this who will say "finally!") is that if the project team or community wants to do this, I'm sure not going to stop them (as if I even could), but I will ask that some consideration be given to the perceptions generated by the selection of the name in question and look at the names from every reasonable angle before deciding on the appropriateness of a name, lest the project be branded with negative publicity from a poor name choice. For example, "Nova" may be a great choice for a name, but as a brand of car in Spanish-speaking countries, it's a horrible marketing move (for those who don't know, in Spanish "no va" literally means "it doesn't go"). It's a tame example that demonstrates a similar concept. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 05 May 2009 17:27:18 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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judgement. Right or wrong in your or my view, that's where the discussion is now, kinda hard to put the genie back in the bottle.

Jim, sorry, sometime it's simply "not a question of point view". If you believe in a project, and you really want to play in its interest, you do not bring certain kind of discussion up in public. You directly discuss with the interested people.

Different people do things different ways.... I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. :-) Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Martin Schlander a écrit :

I don't see any need/use for code names at all

names usually don't mean anything... they are used to make memory easier. other distros uses year.month numeric and/or name openSUSE naming is completely absurd and changing it would be a good thing. The idea of colours is very good jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Martin Schlander a écrit :

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I don't see any need/use for code names at all I don't see any either.

names usually don't mean anything... they are used to make memory easier. and with numbers counting up (e.g. 11.0, 11.1, 11.2) this is pretty easy.

other distros uses year.month numeric and/or name

Moin, On Monday 04 May 2009, jdd wrote: that might be an option

openSUSE naming is completely absurd and changing it would be a good thing.

As long as there is not a brilliant idea of changing the openSUSE versioning I don't see much positive things in doing so. Does the current versioning hurt somewhere (beside of "I don't like it")? Best M

The idea of colours is very good

jdd

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Martin Schlander wrote:

Mandag den 4. maj 2009 14:59:06 skrev Michael Loeffler:

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As long as there is not a brilliant idea of changing the openSUSE versioning I don't see much positive things in doing so. Does the current versioning hurt somewhere (beside of "I don't like it")?

It hurts a bit.

While I'm not really sure about changing the numbering scheme I really like the colors idea. For example [1] provides a quite good list of colors to choose from. Using Pantone(c) color names could be a problem because of the legal issues. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors

Quite a lot of people tend to think that x.0 is less mature and has more new features than other releases. And they somehow expect x.1|2|3 to be merely boring updates or servicepacks for the x.0.

So a version numbering which shows more clearly that all releases are unique might be beneficial.

Do you think that keeping the numbering scheme and adding the code names (colors in our case) will send a good signal to people so they'd better understand that every release is truly unique ?

On the other hand we'd lose some of the great history and nostalgia associated with the current scheme.

Agreed. PS: Even though I'm advocating color names, I'd still like to see the wallpapers/branding in green tones (i.e. they would _not_ match the codename color). The green is our identification mark and we surely don't want to look like folks abusing LSD. :D -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors

http://www.w3schools.com/HTML/html_colornames.asp

may be the same ones? if they are really html names, should be free :-)

The wikipage I posted is a compilation of HTML and X11 color names, so they should be free, indeed. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 04 May 2009 15:17:02 Pascal Bleser wrote:

Pavol Rusnak wrote:

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jdd wrote:

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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors

http://www.w3schools.com/HTML/html_colornames.asp

may be the same ones? if they are really html names, should be free :-)

The wikipage I posted is a compilation of HTML and X11 color names, so they should be free, indeed.

+1 for colours.

I, for one, can't wait to install openSUSE "Cornflower Blue" :-) -- James Oakley jfunk@funktronics.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Am Montag 04 Mai 2009 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua:

Hmm colours? Isn't openSUSE green and only green by definition? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_green - with a release cycle of 8 months this gives us room for 12 2/3 years. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Le mardi 05 mai 2009, à 10:23 +0200, Stephan Kulow a écrit :

Am Montag 04 Mai 2009 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua:

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Hmm colours? Isn't openSUSE green and only green by definition? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_green - with a release cycle of 8 months this gives us room for 12 2/3 years.

Oh, nice. Love it! Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 5 мая 2009 21:46:56 Brandon Philips wrote:

Tiger Chameleon

Cheers,

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On Tuesday May 5 2009, Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy wrote:

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Ah I like it ;-). "openSUSE Viridian" has a nice ring to it. But let's avoid "openSUSE Asparagus" if we can :-P

Maybe "openSUSE Asperger's" or "openSUSE Aspergillus." I once worked at a place where the desktop naming scheme was element names. For some reason, mine box bore the name of a mythical material, Corbomite. (Neither here nor there, but this thread brought it to mind.)

Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy

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Le lundi 04 mai 2009, à 12:42 +0200, Martin Schlander a écrit :

For example, if something is called "Gutsy Gibbon" you might expect it to be full of experimental and risky stuff.

This is actually the intention. Gutsy was the first release after a LTS version, and they wanted to integrate quite some new stuff. (sure, they didn't want to imply it was completely experimental or risky) All Ubuntu code names have a rationale, I think. FWIW, some people love code names, and if they're well-chosen, they can help with the promotion of the distribution. (and sure, some people just don't care about the code names -- but having a code name won't "hurt" those people) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Hi, I actually liked the choice of philosophers. Anyway, as someone said, it is just a name. I would say all the discussion tried to "stretch the choice a little too far". Best, A. Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 13.03 +0200, Olaf Kirch ha scritto:

On Monday 04 May 2009 11:13:44 Stephan Kulow wrote

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I actually love the philosopher's line as it gives openSUSE some kind of nice touch, but we'd still need some numbers associated with it. And as I watched

Well, philosophers are in the habit of talking a lot, and a century or two down the road, some of their utterings will easily look odd or even downright disgusting. Granted, Fichte is probably a fairly disgusting specimen. But he's not alone. Nietzsche got a bit carried away while waxing about the Übermensch, which made it all too easy for the national socialists to claim him for their purposes. Aristotle found slavery "natural". Voltaire was anti-semitic in many of his works. Kant wasn't above voicing his anti-jewish prejudices.

The only way to stay away from such snafus is to stop using famous people for the code names, and go with animals or plants or city names or chemical elements - basically anything that does *not* have the capacity to come up with weird ideas and communicate them :-)

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On Sunday May 10 2009, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

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I think I like animals, plants, or colors the best so far. :-)

Common names of stars. There are plenty to go around, they're mostly neutral in connotation and have an air of exoticness.

Gerald

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On Sunday 10 May 2009 10:06:16 am Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Sunday May 10 2009, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

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I think I like animals, plants, or colors the best so far. :-)

Common names of stars. There are plenty to go around, they're mostly neutral in connotation and have an air of exoticness.

I'm afraid that there is no group of items without negative connotations when sufficiently large group of users is asked for opinion. -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Other two suggestions: - City names: might be a good way to show travel pictures or to use pictures provided by users as background during the development releases, as openSUSE used to do in the past during development releases with lizards. - Food names: who would resist to openSUSE 11.2 - Dark chocolate?! (yes I like chocolate :P) Best, Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Rajko M. wrote:

On Wednesday 06 May 2009 08:31:21 am Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

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Other two suggestions:

- City names: might be a good way to show travel pictures or to use pictures provided by users as background during the development releases, as openSUSE used to do in the past during development releases with lizards.

- Food names: who would resist to openSUSE 11.2 - Dark chocolate?! (yes I like chocolate :P)

With this proposal there will be enough pictures to illustrate openSUSE without being boring.

Warning: Mischief follows. I can't wait for the 'Rare steak' release. Bet the vegans will be thrilled too. Cheers

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Best, Alberto

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