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Efstathios Iosifidis

23 Nov 2013 23 Nov '13

17:31

Hello mates, Congrats to all for the great 13.1 release. Unfortunately, MATE team didn't make it to the final release. We'll have it ready next time. There's a repository ready for you. You can install MATE Desktop without any pain. Visit our Portal at https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE and click on the 13.1 link. It'll open a ymp file and you can install MATE very easy. As alternative, there are couple of cool SUSE Studio images you can test. Here are the links: http://susestudio.com/a/DR3uXR/mate_stable_1-6-13-1_testing_image_32bit http://susestudio.com/a/DR3uXR/mate_stable_1-6-13-1_testing_image_64bit Don't forget to add us: Twitter: @opensuse_mate Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/opensusemate Google Plus: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110057139932804157139/posts Mailing list: http://ml.mate-desktop.org/listinfo/opensuse-mate IRC Channel: #opensuse-mate @ Freenode If you have any question or tell us how we can make it better or just drop us a line, we'll be happy to listen from you. Finally, you can see the presentation from openSUSE conference 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-2WSt5cbR4 Have phun, Stathis -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://eiosifidis.blogspot.gr http://blogs.gnome.org/eiosifidis http://www.gnome.gr http://www.opensuse.gr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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Greg Freemyer

23 Nov 23 Nov

21:46

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Efstathios Iosifidis wrote:

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Hello mates,

Congrats to all for the great 13.1 release.

Unfortunately, MATE team didn't make it to the final release. We'll have it ready next time. There's a repository ready for you. You can install MATE Desktop without any pain.

The rules for pushing things to the update repo have been getting looser and I think we now see version updates getting pushed via updates. I think it is time to start considering pushing new packages via updates as well. I don't fully understand the updates workflow, but I don't see why it would be a bad thing to allow new packages to be pushed there. Anyway, I know I too have a package that I'm a week or two away from pushing to factory. I know it can be added to Tumbleweed at that point, but I'd also like to get it added to the 13.1 updates repo. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

22:14

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:46:07 -0500 Greg Freemyer wrote: ...

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The rules for pushing things to the update repo have been getting looser and I think we now see version updates getting pushed via updates.

It is on case by case basis. New KDE, or Gnome, etc. version that has small chances to break installed system is such candidate. This usually means maintenance version, like KDE 4.11.x to 4.11.x+1.

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I think it is time to start considering pushing new packages via updates as well. ...

This breaks the basic meaning of term update. In other words only what is in distro release and installable from regular repos should have updated version in update repo. # zypper se mate returns one hit from Packman repo; copy-agent-mate which is Copy.com extension for Mate.

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Anyway, I know I too have a package that I'm a week or two away from pushing to factory. I know it can be added to Tumbleweed at that point, but I'd also like to get it added to the 13.1 updates repo.

Tumbleweed is one option, and the other is development repo, as Statis mentioned. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

24 Nov 24 Nov

03:58

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Rajko wrote:

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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:46:07 -0500 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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The rules for pushing things to the update repo have been getting looser and I think we now see version updates getting pushed via updates.

It is on case by case basis. New KDE, or Gnome, etc. version that has small chances to break installed system is such candidate. This usually means maintenance version, like KDE 4.11.x to 4.11.x+1.

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I think it is time to start considering pushing new packages via updates as well. ...

This breaks the basic meaning of term update. In other words only what is in distro release and installable from regular repos should have updated version in update repo.

But why? (Please ignore the grammar issue of what "updates" means.) My question is why shouldn't there be a centralized way to introduce leaf packages between releases. After all 8 months is a long time. Adding OBS repos certainly works, but it's not centralized. Maybe a new primary repo like "leaves" (or "leaf packages" if we want to make it easier for non-native speakers)

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Anyway, I know I too have a package that I'm a week or two away from pushing to factory. I know it can be added to Tumbleweed at that point, but I'd also like to get it added to the 13.1 updates repo.

Tumbleweed is one option, and the other is development repo, as Statis mentioned.

Tumbleweed allows core updates (ie. the kernel is constantly updated). devel repos is conceptually fine, but it quickly gets excessive. I had about a dozen "extra" repo's in 12.3 before I upgraded. I got rid of all but 4 now that 13.1 is out. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

10:27

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:58:33 -0500 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Tumbleweed allows core updates (ie. the kernel is constantly updated).

We can always ask Greg K.H. about Tumbleweed as it is much more appropriate for rolling release to introduce new package then to push it trough something that suppose to be stable, ie. repo-update. Introducing stable version of what is in the Factory should be ultimate goal for Tumbleweed, even if it is brand new software. Apropos leaf package, MATE is at the same level as GNOME and KDE, and they are hardly leaf packages that one can ignore if they fail. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Marcus Meissner

25 Nov 25 Nov

08:00

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 04:46:07PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Efstathios Iosifidis wrote:

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Hello mates,

Congrats to all for the great 13.1 release.

Unfortunately, MATE team didn't make it to the final release. We'll have it ready next time. There's a repository ready for you. You can install MATE Desktop without any pain.

The rules for pushing things to the update repo have been getting looser and I think we now see version updates getting pushed via updates.

I think it is time to start considering pushing new packages via updates as well. I don't fully understand the updates workflow, but I don't see why it would be a bad thing to allow new packages to be pushed there.

Anyway, I know I too have a package that I'm a week or two away from pushing to factory. I know it can be added to Tumbleweed at that point, but I'd also like to get it added to the 13.1 updates repo.

Greg

Well, we can do push version updates to Maintenance, but new packages we did not yet do. As MATE is not even in Factory yet, don't think about Maintenance yet, push it to Factory first. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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